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02-04-2014, 07:13 PM
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Look at past drafts, what pick do you question the most?

I have always wondered if anyone questions some of our past draft picks. What one pick if you could would you have changed looking back?

Here is mine.
2008 NHL Draft 15th overall pick
We traded the 15th overall pick to Ottawa for the 18th overall pick and a 3rd round pick in 2009.

We picked Chet Pickard with that 18th pick and Taylor Beck with the 2009 3rd round pick.
Ottawa picked Eric Karlsson with that 15th pick.

So what pick would you redo?

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I have always wondered if anyone questions some of our past draft picks. What one pick if you could would you have changed looking back?

Here is mine.
2008 NHL Draft 15th overall pick
We traded the 15th overall pick to Ottawa for the 18th overall pick and a 3rd round pick in 2009.

We picked Chet Pickard with that 18th pick and Taylor Beck with the 2009 3rd round pick.
Ottawa picked Eric Karlsson with that 15th pick.

So what pick would you redo?
The funny thing is, if we had drafted Karlsson, these boards would have been like "great yet ANOTHER undersized, puck moving defenseman. Classic comfort zone Poile"

It really sucks that all the top forwards in this draft (besides Stamkos of course) ended up being disappointments/busts. The one year we get a high pick, it ends up being a defensemen heavy draft.

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the thing id change about that whole draft would be chosing Chet Pickard over Eberle. Poile banked too hard on Wilson.

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A lot of the 2000 draft.

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Pickard over Eberle for sure.

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Picking Pickard because he was Wilson's buddy was a bad move. It's been proven again and again that there are goalies in the later rounds. Hell WE'RE one of the best examples of that. We needed to swing for the fences on that one and we blew it.

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02-04-2014, 10:09 PM
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Pickard is the most blatant mistake. Poile always does that feel good stuff. I GUARANTEE he would have not picked Pickard if he wasn't Wilson's buddy. He should be fired for that move alone.

But the biggest failure is his inability to find true offensive talent in ANY round.

The drafting of Zetterberg has carried DRW for the most of the last decade, and they didn't do that with the 1st pick. St Louis, acquired for nothing, was a big reason TBL won the cup. Pavelski. Benn. Neal. Krjeci. Sharp.

Some people get it done, and some people are David Poile.

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02-05-2014, 12:23 AM
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Pickard is the most blatant mistake. Poile always does that feel good stuff. I GUARANTEE he would have not picked Pickard if he wasn't Wilson's buddy. He should be fired for that move alone.

But the biggest failure is his inability to find true offensive talent in ANY round.

The drafting of Zetterberg has carried DRW for the most of the last decade, and they didn't do that with the 1st pick. St Louis, acquired for nothing, was a big reason TBL won the cup. Pavelski. Benn. Neal. Krjeci. Sharp.

Some people get it done, and some people are David Poile.

sometimes the stuff you say is merely annoying, and then sometimes you just crap out this kind of stuff

you can talk about St Louis and TBL but how good would Tampa be if they could have found a goalie sometime in the draft in the last ten years?

Zetterberg has not carried Detroit on his own(Lidtrom and datsuyk say hi) and even of he has I would say Rinne is going to carry us for just as long and to an even greater extent and he was drafted lower than Zetterberg.

Poile got us Ronning for nothing, Vokoun for nothing, and Sully for two 2nd round picks.

Like any GM, he's made some picks that turn out to be horrid, but to act like he's just been useless is just ignoring reality.

as to the original question, Finley at #6 is about as bad as it gets. With Pickard at least we got Beck as a result of trading down.

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Jon Blum over David Perron in 2007, which I thought was a bad idea from the moment it happened.

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I remember reading here how much ppl were upset at what the preds gave up to move up and draft Josi. This move doesn't seems so bad after all this time.

But to stay on topic, I'm also disappointed with the Pickard pick. Even tough IIRC he was believed to have great potential.

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Honestly, our first round drafting has been at best mediocre. Not even one star forward except maybe Hartnell who we traded prior him being at the level of first line talent. Only one star player in Suter.

Lots of busts: Finley, Blum, pickard, Radulov, Parent are the most obvious
To some degree: up shall, Ellis

Legwand and Wilson haven't come close to the ceilings that were hoped for.

Suter and Hamhuis were great picks, and we were handed Seth Jones on a platter. It would have been hard to mess up in 2003 or 2013.

Of course we also dealt first round picks or forsberg, Witt, fisher, an gaustad.

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Hard to characterize Radulov as a bust. He's an excellent scoring forward who went home to make more money. He's a bust only in the sense of where he ended up playing not his talent.

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Honestly, our first round drafting has been at best mediocre. Not even one star forward except maybe Hartnell who we traded prior him being at the level of first line talent. Only one star player in Suter.

Lots of busts: Finley, Blum, pickard, Radulov, Parent are the most obvious
To some degree: up shall, Ellis

Legwand and Wilson haven't come close to the ceilings that were hoped for.

Suter and Hamhuis were great picks, and we were handed Seth Jones on a platter. It would have been hard to mess up in 2003 or 2013.

Of course we also dealt first round picks or forsberg, Witt, fisher, an gaustad.

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02-05-2014, 07:18 AM
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Makeup, intelligence, leadership, and commitment are also a vital part of evaluation. You are correct and also wrong. Radulov was a major bust for this organization .

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Honestly, our first round drafting has been at best mediocre. Not even one star forward except maybe Hartnell who we traded prior him being at the level of first line talent. Only one star player in Suter.

Lots of busts: Finley, Blum, pickard, Radulov, Parent are the most obvious
To some degree: up shall, Ellis

Legwand and Wilson haven't come close to the ceilings that were hoped for.

Suter and Hamhuis were great picks, and we were handed Seth Jones on a platter. It would have been hard to mess up in 2003 or 2013.

Of course we also dealt first round picks or forsberg, Witt, fisher, an gaustad.
All this points to that the Preds are able to develop elite defence in this system, but it does not allow forwards to flourish the way "some may have been able to"
Legwand very well could have been a star if chosen by a more offensive minded team. It has been stated on these boards how the defensive style you play does not entice elite forward free agents ( it's also a smaller market team)
Radulov and Hartnell have both flourished elsewhere. You will never know with Legwand because he has played 15 years in "the system" . I am not sure, ( when he was younger ) was he allowed to play free flowing creative hockey and make mistakes? Or did he end up in the proverbial doghouse?

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The 2003 draft was loaded with high end forward and with 4 picks through 2 rounds we picked 3 D-men. While all 3 D-men were hits we could have had Getzlaf, Parise, Kesler, or Perry instead of Suter and Bergeron or Backes instead of Glazachev or Klein. This draft shows how Poile will always draft first as there was a ton of talent out there at the forward position. Not just good talent either. High end talent but he chose to go after the d-men instead of adding any forwards. While this draft may not have been any kind of bust by any means it sure is telling.


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I can't criticize Poile in 2003. Suter was the right pick. Glazachev and Klein were both graded as first round talents and were sound decisions. Weber of course is a generational defenseman. We had a lot of missed outside of those three picks, but man, 2 superstars in 1 draft is a win.

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I can't criticize Poile in 2003. Suter was the right pick. Glazachev and Klein were both graded as first round talents and were sound decisions. Weber of course is a generational defenseman. We had a lot of missed outside of those three picks, but man, 2 superstars in 1 draft is a win.
Like I said I am not saying we lost that draft. It just shows how Poile looks at drafting players. When faced with top end talent he will always draft D first. This is why this team lacks top end offensive talent.

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One of the things about the way we draft and develop offensive talent is that hindsight definitely isn't 20/20 when it comes to "who we should've/could've taken instead" based on how productive they've been so far for other teams. If we really don't have a system that caters to letting these talented forwards play their offensive game, who's to say that someone like Eberle would've flourished here? Getzlaf and Parise were mentioned. No promises they would've developed the same way either.

On the flip side, for all we know, if a guy like Wilson played in a hockey market for a team that allowed him to focus on offense, he could be a noticeable stud in the league right now, and we could all sit back and be like "Oh man, why couldn't we have drafted Colin Wilson??" There's no doubt in my mind that our system suffocates natural offensive flair and talent. It wouldn't shock me in the least to see Wilson as a 65-70 point scorer with 30 goals (per an 82 game average) during an extended period of time at some point in his career on A.) another team or B.) this team led by a coach not afraid to embrace his talent.

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Poile got us Ronning for nothing,.
You are comparing getting a couple of years of old Ronning to TBL getting St Louis for their his entire career? Conversation over.

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Legwand very well could have been a star if chosen by a more offensive minded team.
It's amazing that 15 years later, people still have the delusion.

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You are comparing getting a couple of years of old Ronning to TBL getting St Louis for their his entire career? Conversation over.
Okay since Tampa Bay is clearly the grand poo-bah because they got lucky and St. Louis turned out to be good, where is their Vokoun? Where's their Rinne in the 8th round? Where's their world-class cornerstone defensemen that they handpicked in the draft? They were so awful that they were in a position to draft Stamkos. Sometimes the worst GMs get the best players. It's how the draft works. If you suck and run a team into the ground, you'll be getting a possible star with a top pick. Speaking of Tampa's excellent drafting skill, nice pick with Hedman at 2 a few years back. That hasn't exactly panned out as planned, and we saw them right back near the top of the draft last year. They also gave us two 2nd round picks and a 3rd rounder for a relatively bad goalie in Lindback. Genius.

If you're going to try and pull the Detroit card with Zetterberg, you're wasting your time. The Wings are run as well, if not better, than any other team in the league.


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If you're going to try and pull the Detroit card with Zetterberg, you're wasting your time. The Wings are run as well, if not better, than any other team in the league.
Yes, that's the point I'm trying to make.

You can theorize everything else, but I look how winning teams where built, and it's not always with #1 picks.

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The 2003 draft was loaded with high end forward and with 4 picks through 2 rounds we picked 3 D-men. While all 3 D-men were hits we could have had Getzlaf, Parise, Kesler, or Perry instead of Suter and Bergeron or Backes instead of Glazachev or Klein. This draft shows how Poile will always draft first as there was a ton of talent out there at the forward position. Not just good talent either. High end talent but he chose to go after the d-men instead of adding any forwards. While this draft may not have been any kind of bust by any means it sure is telling.
How many other teams are thinking that they could have drafted Weber instead of who they got?

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Yes, that's the point I'm trying to make.

You can theorize everything else, but I look how winning teams where built, and it's not always with #1 picks.
Well, then, it's a good thing that Nashville has successfully gotten impact NHLers outside of the first round, eh? That's more than some other teams can say - or could say for several years.

Seriously. Getting a major superstar in the later rounds of the draft is unbelievably rare, and getting one undrafted even moreso. And yet this has already happened in Nashville with Pekka Rinne. Yet you seem agitated because when a rare, impossible blessing that fans of many other teams would love to have occurred, the player you got wasn't a forward.

...sounds a lot like the 2013 first round, come to think of it...


EDIT: Oh, and setting superstars aside, y'all have gotten impact forwards in the later rounds, with some regularity - Erat and Hornqvist immediately come to mind, for example. Not game-breakers, but, again, that's incredibly rare.

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It should also be brought up again that Poile traded for Forsberg (who's not even two months older than Jones), and gave up this guy:

http://www.sbnation.com/nhl/2014/2/5...c-goal-drought

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