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02-10-2014, 09:33 AM
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The defense is the only thing holding this team back,
I think the forwards may be a bit soft as a group and could be physically overwhelmed in a rough series also.

otherwise, like the majority opinion here, couple years away
I think the real key is getting rid of Vinny and his subsequent replacement...

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02-10-2014, 01:25 PM
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I think the forwards may be a bit soft as a group and could be physically overwhelmed in a rough series also.

otherwise, like the majority opinion here, couple years away
I think the real key is getting rid of Vinny and his subsequent replacement...
Agreed. If they can't acquire a PMD and or a sniper to improve their 5 on 5 play against the better teams in the East they should probably look to replace Downie with some size and more defensive responsibility. Matt Hendricks or Nystrom type to put on Coots and Read line.

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02-11-2014, 02:26 AM
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Hard to tell, he has never played under PO pressures yet.
He has... and has more playoff assists (1) than playoff wins (0).

(Columbus was swept by Detroit in Mason's only playoff appearance).

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02-27-2014, 08:07 PM
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Kimmo or no, tonight is showing this team's true colors.

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02-28-2014, 01:10 AM
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Vinny is not going to be traded.

better get used to him in a Flyer jersey for awhile


this team is what it is. a fringe at best playoff team that really as a group is pretty damn slow. when they play good to really good skating teams they are going to get exposed.

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02-28-2014, 07:51 AM
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Vinny is not going to be traded.

better get used to him in a Flyer jersey for awhile


this team is what it is. a fringe at best playoff team that really as a group is pretty damn slow. when they play good to really good skating teams they are going to get exposed.
I did not see the logic in the Vinny signing to start with, another center????
Just what we needed to spend more cap on old washed up center
when the defense is atrocious.

Management better start looking for players especially Dmen who can skate.
Next years defense is looking even worse if Timmo retires.

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02-28-2014, 07:56 AM
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Hartnell Giroux X
X Schenn Voracek
Read Couturier Simmonds
Vinny Raffl Rinaldo


X X
COburn Gus
Schenn Grossman


all we are missing for next year are 2 top 6 forwards and 2 top pairing dmen.

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02-28-2014, 08:01 AM
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Yes they can contend if the team plays together and plays tight defense. last nights game was terrible the Flyers showed up for the 1st period and than did the self destruct. Flyers need a key player on the D let's see what Homer does.

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02-28-2014, 08:31 AM
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The worst thing Holmgren can do is fool himself into thinking he's one or two players away from a cap run. Real championship teams (not lucky flash in the pans) are build from the ground up, and the FO focuses on building talent depth. The Flyers are starting to build depth and continuity, but this requires patience.

This team is a borderline playoff team, in marginal markets that might be enough to keep the franchise above water - in Philly we're supposed to be knowledgeable fans who'd prefer to miss the playoffs and keep building rather than a quick fix that ensures mediocrity.

They have a core of young centers, some solid young wingers and more on the way with Laughton, Leier and Straka. Maybe not superstars, but enough depth to fill out four lines. They need to keep adding speed and skills, which is why I want Vinnie and Downie and Hall gone - even the 4th line should be capable of giving opponents headaches, not merely eat minutes.

The defense is in shambles, but I see no reason to panic, it may take until 2016, but you have reinforcements coming up, move Mex, and next year audition Alt and Lauridsen and bring in a veteran to mentor the young guys coming in - but don't try for a blockbuster deal and trade your future.
Schenn - Gus
Coburn - Grossman?
Streit - ???

The focus should be on two years from now, when you'll have Ghost, Morin and Hagg added to the mix. You want to preserve the "cap" room to keep your young forwards as your young defensemen mature. Only then, when you may have to trade a young forward to avoid losing him, and the team needs that one piece, do you trade to win now.

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02-28-2014, 08:39 AM
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I think the forwards may be a bit soft as a group and could be physically overwhelmed in a rough series also.
The softness has been a concern for me for a little bit now.

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02-28-2014, 08:48 AM
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No, this team cannot contend. This team is currently performing as it has been built to perform. No more, no less. Unless real changes are made, they will be a fringe playoff team that should not get past the 2nd round. It seems management realized in order to have a successful team it is build from the draft (maybe a couple FA's) and this takes time and is not fun. The current roster has 6 maybe 7 core forwards to build with, but the D, is just bad. In 5 years only L Schenn and Gus could be here and they may be the bottom pairing. Hopefully they progress and hockey in Philly will be a lot of fun in 3-4 years.

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all we are missing for next year are 2 top 6 forwards and 2 top pairing dmen.
you can probably say that about half the teams in the league
maybe more

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02-28-2014, 11:34 AM
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The worst thing Holmgren can do is fool himself into thinking he's one or two players away from a cap run. Real championship teams (not lucky flash in the pans) are build from the ground up, and the FO focuses on building talent depth. The Flyers are starting to build depth and continuity, but this requires patience.

This team is a borderline playoff team, in marginal markets that might be enough to keep the franchise above water - in Philly we're supposed to be knowledgeable fans who'd prefer to miss the playoffs and keep building rather than a quick fix that ensures mediocrity.

They have a core of young centers, some solid young wingers and more on the way with Laughton, Leier and Straka. Maybe not superstars, but enough depth to fill out four lines. They need to keep adding speed and skills, which is why I want Vinnie and Downie and Hall gone - even the 4th line should be capable of giving opponents headaches, not merely eat minutes.

The defense is in shambles, but I see no reason to panic, it may take until 2016, but you have reinforcements coming up, move Mex, and next year audition Alt and Lauridsen and bring in a veteran to mentor the young guys coming in - but don't try for a blockbuster deal and trade your future.
Schenn - Gus
Coburn - Grossman?
Streit - ???

The focus should be on two years from now, when you'll have Ghost, Morin and Hagg added to the mix. You want to preserve the "cap" room to keep your young forwards as your young defensemen mature. Only then, when you may have to trade a young forward to avoid losing him, and the team needs that one piece, do you trade to win now.

Why would you want Hall gone? He's the perfect 4th line center. He just needs better wingers.

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02-28-2014, 11:54 AM
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The worst thing Holmgren can do is fool himself into thinking he's one or two players away from a cap run. Real championship teams (not lucky flash in the pans) are build from the ground up, and the FO focuses on building talent depth. The Flyers are starting to build depth and continuity, but this requires patience.

This team is a borderline playoff team, in marginal markets that might be enough to keep the franchise above water - in Philly we're supposed to be knowledgeable fans who'd prefer to miss the playoffs and keep building rather than a quick fix that ensures mediocrity.

The defense is in shambles, but I see no reason to panic, it may take until 2016, but you have reinforcements coming up, move Mex, and next year audition Alt and Lauridsen and bring in a veteran to mentor the young guys coming in - but don't try for a blockbuster deal and trade your future.
Schenn - Gus
Coburn - Grossman?
Streit - ???

The focus should be on two years from now, when you'll have Ghost, Morin and Hagg added to the mix. You want to preserve the "cap" room to keep your young forwards as your young defensemen mature. Only then, when you may have to trade a young forward to avoid losing him, and the team needs that one piece, do you trade to win now.
Your right that that this team can compete for a playoff spot, but not a cup.
The problem is the defense is bad, and Alt and Lauridsen are not the answer.
This defense is unskilled and too slow for today's NHL.
It is time to stop patching the defense with retread FA's.
Coburn and Gus are you best options for a pairing.
That leaves you with 4 spots to fill to construct a defense.
I would rather trade a center + for another teams promising defenseman,
than assume our prospects will solve this defensive dilemma.

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02-28-2014, 12:03 PM
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This team has enough offensive firepower and a goalie capable of having stretches of carrying them on his back so it's entirely possible they make the playoffs and win a round or two. Especially with the East as weak as it is.

There's no way in hell that they have a chance at winning a Cup though. I would eat both my shoes if that happened. Eventually they're going to run into elite teams like Boston or Pittsburgh in the East or, hypothetically in the SCF, they would have to face a team like Anaheim or St. Louis. Over the course of four different best of seven series this D will undoubtedly get exposed at some point and just torn to shreds. It's also entirely possible our team gets destroyed by injuries if they do make the playoffs since we have zero call-up depth at G and very little at forward.

So they're not a contender in the slightest. At least for me a contender has to have a chance of winning it all.

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Why would you want Hall gone? He's the perfect 4th line center. He just needs better wingers.
Because Hall isn't a sexy player.

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Your right that that this team can compete for a playoff spot, but not a cup.
The problem is the defense is bad, and Alt and Lauridsen are not the answer.
This defense is unskilled and too slow for today's NHL.
It is time to stop patching the defense with retread FA's.
Coburn and Gus are you best options for a pairing.
That leaves you with 4 spots to fill to construct a defense.
I would rather trade a center + for another teams promising defenseman,
than assume our prospects will solve this defensive dilemma.

You need some defensive defensemen too, church.

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Your right that that this team can compete for a playoff spot, but not a cup.
The problem is the defense is bad, and Alt and Lauridsen are not the answer.
This defense is unskilled and too slow for today's NHL.
It is time to stop patching the defense with retread FA's.
Coburn and Gus are you best options for a pairing.
That leaves you with 4 spots to fill to construct a defense.
I would rather trade a center + for another teams promising defenseman,
than assume our prospects will solve this defensive dilemma.
If we're trading a center + for a promising dman instead of something established, we ARE hoping a prospect will solve the defensive dilemna...and you're paying extra to do it, too.

Edit: Mozilla autocorrect legitimately believes dilemna is spelled "dilemma."

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If we're trading a center + for a promising dman instead of something established, we ARE hoping a prospect will solve the defensive dilemna...and you're paying extra to do it, too.

Edit: Mozilla autocorrect legitimately believes dilemna is spelled "dilemma."
According to the results of the google search I just did, it is spelled "dilemma", although apparently it is erroneously taught in schools as "dilemna" in many areas. Personally, your comment was the first time I'd ever seen it spelled with an n.

Trading our assets for a young defenseman only makes sense if the guy we get is better or more likely to succeed than the guys we have in house. So really, it all comes down to player evaluation.

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Yeah, I ended up researching it too. I've seen it spelled that way in a lot of textbooks; that's where I got it, actually.

My theory is that since 75% of our vocab is Latin, there are a few million people (across several countries, actually) who are trying to make the Greek "lemma" into a more Latinized "lemna."

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You need some defensive defensemen too, church.
I realize that but, I need something with more speed than Luke Schenn or Grossmann.
The prototypical NHL defenseman is big and fast.
Schenn and Grossmann are only big, not enough bang for my buck.
Two slow traffic cone bookends is overkill.

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I realize that but, I need something with more speed than Luke Schenn or Grossmann.
The prototypical NHL defenseman is big and fast.
Schenn and Grossmann are only big, not enough bang for my buck.
Two slow traffic cone bookends is overkill.
explain yourself.

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Maybe the prototypical elite NHL defenseman. There are very few guys like that in the league.

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HA! Oh, this was a serious question? No...no they cannot.

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explain yourself.
If I cannot have Shea Weber -- big, fast with great skills.
I would prefer a smaller, faster player with great skills.
The age of the Pylon is long gone.
Todays forwards will undress the slow footed defenseman.
If you cannot skate, your an AHL player in todays NHL.

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