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02-12-2014, 06:53 AM
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Extensions take time.
They've had plenty of time. If Girardi isn't signed by the deadline I want him gone. Letting him walk via free agency for nothing is horrible asset management.

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Huh? That's a great return for a rental Callahan. Clendening is a better prospect than Barrie, whom many here are pining over. Pirri is a potential middle six center. That would be a fantastic return.
If Pirri can't get his offensive game going on Chicago I highly doubt he can get it going in NY, not to mention he is undersized and loses waiver exemption next year. Might be able to get him for nothing next season if you wanted to roll the dice. Clendening is not a player I take as a center piece.

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A little birdie told me to watch San Jose if the Rangers decide to move Callahan.

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You can say the Rangers will move Stralman or Klein. If only it was that easy to move term. The Rangers acquired Klein for DZ and there were 3 teams interested in DZ. Nashville was willing to move Klein for DZ when almost the entire NHL was scared off by DZ's inconsistency. Nashville,Toronto and Ottawa were interested in DZ. There should have been 29 teams interested in him.
I think you are exagerating.

First of all, you are describing the situation when the cap went from 70m to 63m after a lockout. Nobody has cap space. That will not be the case in a couple of years. It will be the opposite.

Second of all, it was not hard for Slats to move DZ. It was not hard for Nashville to move Klein. Despite the cap situation. Three teams were interested in DZ because they knew the price for him. He is what 23 and has multiple top 30 in scoring for D's seasons. He was like top 10 in ES scoring for D's, top +/- seasons. Its not like anyone that wanted a LD and was prepared to give up a 3rd round pick bothered to call Slats.

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A little birdie told me to watch San Jose if the Rangers decide to move Callahan.
Did this birdie mention Dan Boyle? Hopefully not. I'd rather get some young pieces.

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It better not be Boyle coming back.

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The same lil bird that links the sharks to every possible guy who can score goals lol..
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Wow sounds like someone has info envy. What is the first part of your post supposed to mean?

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They've had plenty of time. If Girardi isn't signed by the deadline I want him gone. Letting him walk via free agency for nothing is horrible asset management.
This. Girardi/Callahan are way too important to lose for nothing.

It's not a matter of how replacable either of them are. If they aren't signed/will test the market, trade them. Some idiot GM will give Callahan the ridiculous terms he wants, and give Girardi 7 years. And they know that.

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Girardi, Stralman, and Klein all play similar styles. Smart, sound, positional defense. None are great puck movers. AV's MO is having defensemen that are good positionally, but can skate well, move laterally quickly, and move the puck well.

As discussed in the beginning of this thread, if Girardi and Stralman re-up with McIlrath knocking on the door, it's a good problem to have. However, down the line, a deal needs to be made for a right sided puck mover. Fast, aggressive teams like the Ducks, Sharks, and even the Islanders give us trouble because they can pin us in our own zone by stifling our transition game. That still needs to improve.
I'm not sure I agree with the bold.

I think that's a fallacy. Girardi, Klein and Stralman all move well within their zone and make solid breakout passes. They may not be the home-run type of passes we all like to see, but they are effective puck movers.

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A little birdie told me to watch San Jose if the Rangers decide to move Callahan.
I can't say how much I appreciate both you and Dagoon filling us in from time to time.

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I don't like anything realistically available from San Jose.

I'll never understand the love affair for Matt Nieto.

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Where does McIlrath play in that scenario? His waiver exemption ends after his third season. The Rangers can't be sitting in the same spot next season with McIlrath being in the AHL with the Rangers not knowing what they have him. Columbus is in the same spot with Erixon. He loses his waiver exemption status after this season. So Columbus will be forced to keep him next season because they're afraid to lose him on waivers. Will he play or will he be a 7th or 8th D? He will need to play and there won't be the minutes for him in the NHL and they can't send him to the AHL because he won't clear waivers. Teams will be leery of trading for him with the waiver status. His career will be limbo. That could be McIlrath in the future. If the Rangers stack up the right side with Girardi,Stralman and Klein,McIlrath will be blocked. You can say the Rangers will move Stralman or Klein. If only it was that easy to move term. The Rangers acquired Klein for DZ and there were 3 teams interested in DZ. Nashville was willing to move Klein for DZ when almost the entire NHL was scared off by DZ's inconsistency. Nashville,Toronto and Ottawa were interested in DZ. There should have been 29 teams interested in him.
He starts in the minors if everyone is brought back. From my limited viewings, including two games live, he didn't look ready. I'd be surprised if he's the third pair opening night defenseman with John Moore. That pair would get exposed on a nightly basis. If he doesn't play his way onto the team next season whether Stralman and/or Girardi are on the team or not, the Rangers need to think about trading him. But like I said, this is a good problem to have right now, especially with so many contracts in limbo.

AV has done a lot of good things, but the one thing I'll hold against him is how he absolutely bombed Del Zotto's trade value into the ground. As recently as last season, rumor has it we could have had Ryan O'Reilly in exchange. Ryan O'Reilly fills a bigger need than Kevin Klein at this point, IMO.

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Good news. Hopefully it gets teams like Anaheim, St. Louis, Phoenix, and LA to up the ante on their offers.

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He starts in the minors if everyone is brought back. From my limited viewings, including two games live, he didn't look ready. I'd be surprised if he's the third pair opening night defenseman with John Moore. That pair would get exposed on a nightly basis. If he doesn't play his way onto the team next season whether Stralman and/or Girardi are on the team or not, the Rangers need to think about trading him. But like I said, this is a good problem to have right now, especially with so many contracts in limbo.

AV has done a lot of good things, but the one thing I'll hold against him is how he absolutely bombed Del Zotto's trade value into the ground. As recently as last season, rumor has it we could have had Ryan O'Reilly in exchange. Ryan O'Reilly fills a bigger need than Kevin Klein at this point, IMO.



Good news. Hopefully it gets teams like Anaheim, St. Louis, Phoenix, and LA to up the ante on their offers.
Greg Sherman wanted Del Zotto + Stepan + 1st for O'Reilly.

It wasn't going to happen.

Del Zotto ruined Del Zotto's trade value. AV didn't help it much, though.

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Greg Sherman wanted Del Zotto + Stepan + 1st for O'Reilly.

It wasn't going to happen.

Del Zotto ruined Del Zotto's trade value. AV didn't help it much, though.
Debatable. Del Zotto looked fine when he actually played on his natural left side, but that ship sailed already.

Maybe we can pry Wingels out of SJ if they want Callahan...

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He starts in the minors if everyone is brought back. From my limited viewings, including two games live, he didn't look ready. I'd be surprised if he's the third pair opening night defenseman with John Moore. That pair would get exposed on a nightly basis. If he doesn't play his way onto the team next season whether Stralman and/or Girardi are on the team or not, the Rangers need to think about trading him. But like I said, this is a good problem to have right now, especially with so many contracts in limbo.

AV has done a lot of good things, but the one thing I'll hold against him is how he absolutely bombed Del Zotto's trade value into the ground. As recently as last season, rumor has it we could have had Ryan O'Reilly in exchange. Ryan O'Reilly fills a bigger need than Kevin Klein at this point, IMO.



Good news. Hopefully it gets teams like Anaheim, St. Louis, Phoenix, and LA to up the ante on their offers.

You don't trade young cheap assets. You deal the more expensive versions in the NHL as they have higher trade value.

McIlrath is one of a kind in this organization. If he gets to 18-20 minutes a night, which is VERY possible, he is close to one of a kind in this league. Name 1 other d-man who can play top-4 minutes, hit like he can, and fight literally anyone. They don't exist anymore.

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A little birdie told me to watch San Jose if the Rangers decide to move Callahan.
Bob, any word on who some teams are dangling?

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I don't like anything realistically available from San Jose.

I'll never understand the love affair for Matt Nieto.
Agreed. They just don't have much - outside of Hertl and Couture, neither of whom they would ever move - that is intriguing.
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Debatable. Del Zotto looked fine when he actually played on his natural left side, but that ship sailed already.

Maybe we can pry Wingels out of SJ if they want Callahan...
Wingels turns 26 in two months - how much more does he have than what he's shown already? (Legitimate question as I almost never see the Western Conf teams.)

1st and 2nd in 2014 with a conditional 1st in 2015 if he re-signs?

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Agreed. They just don't have much - outside of Hertl and Couture, neither of whom they would ever move - that is intriguing.

Wingels turns 26 in two months - how much more does he have than what he's shown already? (Legitimate question as I almost never see the Western Conf teams.)

1st and 2nd in 2014 with a conditional 1st in 2015 if he re-signs?
Nieto is a good piece to have coming back. He is going to be a good player and he would fit this system well with his speed. He actually plays a similar game to Hagelin although his shot is better.

Mueller looks to be a very good prospect on the back-end. Hamilton is intriguing.

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You don't trade young cheap assets. You deal the more expensive versions in the NHL as they have higher trade value.

McIlrath is one of a kind in this organization. If he gets to 18-20 minutes a night, which is VERY possible, he is close to one of a kind in this league. Name 1 other d-man who can play top-4 minutes, hit like he can, and fight literally anyone. They don't exist anymore.
There's only two prospects comparable to McIlrath, Morin and Zadorov. They are one of a kind players.

He will be a huge asset when he makes it.

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You don't trade young cheap assets. You deal the more expensive versions in the NHL as they have higher trade value.

McIlrath is one of a kind in this organization. If he gets to 18-20 minutes a night, which is VERY possible, he is close to one of a kind in this league. Name 1 other d-man who can play top-4 minutes, hit like he can, and fight literally anyone. They don't exist anymore.
Either way it's a gamble. If McIlrath develops into a top 4, mean nasty SOB with a hard, accurate point shot, he's worth his weight in gold, but to me, it's looking like a big "if" right now. His positioning has improved leaps and bounds, I'll give him that. Right now his quickness and lateral movement aren't NHL material. He needs to improve on that, especially if AV is still coaching this team in 2-3 years. For a guy as big as he is, he shouldn't be getting beaten to the outside and beaten to 50/50 pucks in the corners by quicker forwards. I would actually love it if Marc Staal would work with him over the summer. Staal is best in the league at using his frame and his reach to shut opposing forwards down, despite not being the quickest skater.

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Agreed. They just don't have much - outside of Hertl and Couture, neither of whom they would ever move - that is intriguing.

Wingels turns 26 in two months - how much more does he have than what he's shown already? (Legitimate question as I almost never see the Western Conf teams.)

1st and 2nd in 2014 with a conditional 1st in 2015 if he re-signs?
Wingels broke out this year. 12 goals, 18 assists, for 30 points in 54 games. His value would be high, but he's a similar player to Callahan that would end up costing a fraction of what Callahan is commanding.

If Callahan and Girardi are traded, a player for now absolutely needs to come back. Trading either for only picks or non-NHL ready prospects hinders this team's ability to contend this year. Sather will never do that. I can see something like Callahan for Havlat (barf) and Nieto going down though.

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I definitely want a 1st each for Callahan and Girardi if traded.

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I don't think San Jose has that unique kind of player available that I'd like to target in a trade. However, Callahan would strictly be a rental so I imagine the package from them would be a salary dump and a high pick or decent prospect.

People are getting really ridiculous with the demands for an unsigned Callahan around here.

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Nieto is a good piece to have coming back. He is going to be a good player and he would fit this system well with his speed. He actually plays a similar game to Hagelin although his shot is better.

Mueller looks to be a very good prospect on the back-end. Hamilton is intriguing.
Mueller I can see as he was just their number 1 last year and he's got good size and skating according to reports - but ANOTHER LHD who plays a sound 2-way game? I mean, I know that they say you can never have too many, but...

As for the other two, do they project to be more than average third liners? Nothing about their stats or profiles blows me away. I might rather have the picks.

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Either way it's a gamble. If McIlrath develops into a top 4, mean nasty SOB with a hard, accurate point shot, he's worth his weight in gold, but to me, it's looking like a big "if" right now. His positioning has improved leaps and bounds, I'll give him that. Right now his quickness and lateral movement aren't NHL material. He needs to improve on that, especially if AV is still coaching this team in 2-3 years. For a guy as big as he is, he shouldn't be getting beaten to the outside and beaten to 50/50 pucks in the corners by quicker forwards. I would actually love it if Marc Staal would work with him over the summer. Staal is best in the league at using his frame and his reach to shut opposing forwards down, despite not being the quickest skater.



Wingels broke out this year. 12 goals, 18 assists, for 30 points in 54 games. His value would be high, but he's a similar player to Callahan that would end up costing a fraction of what Callahan is commanding.

If Callahan and Girardi are traded, a player for now absolutely needs to come back. Trading either for only picks or non-NHL ready prospects hinders this team's ability to contend this year. Sather will never do that. I can see something like Callahan for Havlat (barf) and Nieto going down though.
I doubt they move Wingels at this point anyway

All prospects are ifs. He is going to be a defensive d-man. He has things to improve upon, sure, but even if he can come in and play 15 minutes a night, at his salary compared to someone like Klein or what Stralman will be making, he is a huge cap saving.

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Either way it's a gamble. If McIlrath develops into a top 4, mean nasty SOB with a hard, accurate point shot, he's worth his weight in gold, but to me, it's looking like a big "if" right now. His positioning has improved leaps and bounds, I'll give him that. Right now his quickness and lateral movement aren't NHL material. He needs to improve on that, especially if AV is still coaching this team in 2-3 years. For a guy as big as he is, he shouldn't be getting beaten to the outside and beaten to 50/50 pucks in the corners by quicker forwards. I would actually love it if Marc Staal would work with him over the summer. Staal is best in the league at using his frame and his reach to shut opposing forwards down, despite not being the quickest skater.
Absolutely agree with this. And love the idea of him working with Staal. Good thought.

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Wingels broke out this year. 12 goals, 18 assists, for 30 points in 54 games. His value would be high, but he's a similar player to Callahan that would end up costing a fraction of what Callahan is commanding.

If Callahan and Girardi are traded, a player for now absolutely needs to come back. Trading either for only picks or non-NHL ready prospects hinders this team's ability to contend this year. Sather will never do that. I can see something like Callahan for Havlat (barf) and Nieto going down though.
I'll have to take your word for it on Wingels. I want at least a 1st, though, whatever else is coming back. And I'm not as fussed about futures as I am confident Fast could come up and be an asset for this team (and if he fails, there are two other guys right behind him in Miller and Kristo).

That said, it would make sense for us to eat a contract as well - we've got the space and, if it's a guy like Havlat, it might actually improve the rest of the return as we'd be doing them a favor.

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