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02-12-2014, 08:15 AM
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If this happened to Duchene instead of Nielsen you would all be screaming bloody murder.

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02-12-2014, 08:25 AM
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The Department of Player Safety is a circus. That is all.

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02-12-2014, 08:26 AM
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If this happened to Duchene instead of Nielsen you would all be screaming bloody murder.
No, I know I wouldn't.

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02-12-2014, 08:37 AM
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Hope Shanaban gets a job with a team somewhere soon.
Preferably in the KHL, because he deserves to be sent to Siberia for being useless.

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Johnson should appeal.

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02-12-2014, 08:49 AM
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Johnson should appeal.
As I stated before he can't. Players can appeal if suspension is minimum of 6 games.

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02-12-2014, 08:56 AM
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Duchene gets either lumber jacked or cross checked almost every single game and nothing. I guess we'll have to get used to it with ****** Shanny in charge.
Not to defend anyone here, but people blaming Shanahan can look at Bettman/the GMs/the owners. If you don't think he's getting his strings pulled from every direction, I don't know what to tell you.

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02-12-2014, 09:21 AM
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Found another slash that didn't get suspended or fined. Cowen two handed Silfverberg and broke his hand earlier in the year. There's a vine showing the play in the link below.

http://www.senatorsextra.com/main/si...ame-with-video

BTW, the Hartnell thing only wasn't bad because Nate didn't get hurt. He easily could have ended his season though, and MacKinnon was extremely lucky to get away unscathed.
Hartnell tripped him using his leg, it was no full on knee-on-knee that could have ended Nate's season. It was a 2 minute penalty and he got it.

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02-12-2014, 09:23 AM
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I didn't think he would get more than a fine before I heard about Nielsens injury. But unfortunately injuries is a major factor when NHL reviews these things. And It's the same for everybody.

It's even more embarrassing that everyone here would surely call for a lot more than 2 min if it was MacDonald or someone who two-handed slashed ROR over his hand to get him sidelined for a month.

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02-12-2014, 09:50 AM
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I don't have a problem with the suspension. I have a problem with how it was handled. The waited a full 3 days before even saying there was going to be a phone hearing. Plus they waited until it was found out that the player broke his hand before they did anything. Meaning it probably would have been nothing, not even a fine, had there been no injury. This is the BS part of the whole thing its either suspendable offense or it not. You can't start playing the cause and effect game.

If the NHL had come out the day after the game and said EJ was going to have a phone hearing and they gave him 2 games, then fine. But the fact is they waited to see how the other player fared before they did anything.

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I didn't think he would get more than a fine before I heard about Nielsens injury. But unfortunately injuries is a major factor when NHL reviews these things. And It's the same for everybody.

It's even more embarrassing that everyone here would surely call for a lot more than 2 min if it was MacDonald or someone who two-handed slashed ROR over his hand to get him sidelined for a month.
And this is what makes me so mad. Well, not necessarily that players who injure others get suspended but that other players can do much worse and don't even get a hearing because they got lucky and the other player didn't get injured. It should be simple. You do this, you'll be suspended for x games no matter what. Only then some ugly stuff gets taken out of the game.
Tim Thomas can bang a player's head with his stick and gets two minutes for high sticking. EJ makes a stupid play which goes wrong and is suspended for two games. That's ridiculous.

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02-12-2014, 10:10 AM
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No surprise, Shanahan is awesome

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Hartnell tripped him using his leg, it was no full on knee-on-knee that could have ended Nate's season. It was a 2 minute penalty and he got it.
He looked like he was sliding into second base, and turned his whole body to kick at Nate's legs. You know how easily he could have caught a rut along the boards and just wrecked his knee for the season on a play like that? All he had to do was have his legs locked to get seriously injured, but lucky for him he saw Hartnell's dumbass at the last second and smartly jumped a little to keep his knee from being locked when he was hit. How many injuries have we seen on nothing plays where there was a little bump along the boards, and it ended someone's season. Happened to Downie last year.



If Nate gets hurt on that play, Hartnell's suspended for sure, and that's a stupid way to approach things. It doesn't teach the players not to make dirty plays, or make hits from behind, because they know the other guy has to get seriously hurt to be punished. Meanwhile, it punishes guys like EJ for making hockey plays that have been around since the beginning of hockey, because a guy broke his thumb.

If they take the injury factor out of it, and start punishing guys for the action instead, it will make players scared to make dirty plays they're trying to take out of the game, because they know they could be suspended no matter what. The dangerous plays they're trying to eliminate like Hartnells knee, and Kadri's dangerous hit from behind on Ceci. Both of which went unpunished because the opponent was lucky enough not to get an injury that kept them out of a game.


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As I stated before he can't. Players can appeal if suspension is minimum of 6 games.
He should appeal the ability to appeal.

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02-12-2014, 10:57 AM
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It's even more embarrassing that everyone here would surely call for a lot more than 2 min if it was MacDonald or someone who two-handed slashed ROR over his hand to get him sidelined for a month.
Yeah there have been absolutely no-one here saying the suspension was justified


There have been you know

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02-12-2014, 11:16 AM
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If this happened to Duchene instead of Nielsen you would all be screaming bloody murder.
Yeah, I probably would.

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02-12-2014, 02:11 PM
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They shouldn't. But they do. And that's just the rules sadly. Which is why a lot of these other example coming up went unsuspended.
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As important the intent is or we would like it to be, the result of the actions of the "guilty" is as important if not more, like in society in general.

For example, if somebody shoots another person and kills that person, the punishment will be far greater than if that same person was only injured.

Not different here. Consequences of the action(s) matter.
If you watch Shanny's videos, he says himself that the result of the action does not dictate the punishment. A suspendable play is a suspendable play whether it caused injury or not.

In this situation it would seem Shanny ignored his own ruling to suspend EJ, setting yet another precedent using an Avs player that will never be followed through with in the future.

Let's be honest here, Kessel baseball swung at Scott, a far more dangerous play and all he lost was the rest of his preseason.

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02-12-2014, 03:36 PM
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If you watch Shanny's videos, he says himself that the result of the action does not dictate the punishment. A suspendable play is a suspendable play whether it caused injury or not.

In this situation it would seem Shanny ignored his own ruling to suspend EJ, setting yet another precedent using an Avs player that will never be followed through with in the future.

Let's be honest here, Kessel baseball swung at Scott, a far more dangerous play and all he lost was the rest of his preseason.
Not to mention Kessels hack job was intended to hurt Scott. It wasnt a hockey play whereas Johnsons slash imo was meant to hit the stick and knock the puck of Frans stick. Shannahan is a wife stealing dickwad who sucks at his job.

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If you watch Shanny's videos, he says himself that the result of the action does not dictate the punishment. A suspendable play is a suspendable play whether it caused injury or not.
That's flat-out false.



http://www.nhl.com/ice/eventhome.htm...=/playersafety

That's a screengrab from EJ's suspension video. It outlines in no uncertain terms that resulting injuries most certainly do play a part in the suspension process. It's like that with EVERY Shanaban video. I don't see how in the world you concluded differently.

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Let's be honest here, Kessel baseball swung at Scott, a far more dangerous play and all he lost was the rest of his preseason.
Kessel was justified in his actions. At least with the first swing. He had a guy twice his size drop the gloves and go after him. What was he supposed to do? The fault lies with Scott and Rolston for trying to goon it up against Phil frickin' Kessel in the first place. Once Scott was tied up with another player, I agree, the 2nd swing was unnecessary. I don't blame him for a minute for the first one though.

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If this happened to Duchene instead of Nielsen you would all be screaming bloody murder.
And most everybody else would have the same confused reaction the suspension. It's called being biased.

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In a vacuum, I'm OK with the suspension. He did slash Nielsen, and he did break Nielsen's hand. However, in the context of all the crap that was let go against our team (cross-check to Stastny's mouth, spear to Mitchell's groin, kneeing on MacKinnon, etc.), I think it's ********.

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In a vacuum, I'm OK with the suspension. He did slash Nielsen, and he did break Nielsen's hand. However, in the context of all the crap that was let go against our team (cross-check to Stastny's mouth, spear to Mitchell's groin, kneeing on MacKinnon, etc.), I think it's ********.
That I agree with.

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That's flat-out false.
Oh please, you're attacking the wrong person here. Do your own homework.

A suspension IS NOT influenced by injury. The LENGTH of the suspension is influenced by injury. Do I really need to put the video in here myself or can you look it up yourself?

The fact of the matter is that first Shanny and co determined the slash warranted a suspension. That was (supposed to be) independent of the injury itself and solely based on the play. Then player history and result is taken into account.

In this situation the league suspended EJ 4 days after the event occurred once the injury was made known, nothing would have happened without the injury. Therefore I concluded that the league was suspending EJ retroactively to the fact an injury resulted from the play.

Suspensions MAY NOT be due to an injury, their length MAY be due to injury.

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Oh please, you're attacking the wrong person here. Do your own homework.

A suspension IS NOT influenced by injury. The LENGTH of the suspension is influenced by injury. Do I really need to put the video in here myself or can you look it up yourself?

The fact of the matter is that first Shanny and co determined the slash warranted a suspension. That was (supposed to be) independent of the injury itself and solely based on the play. Then player history and result is taken into account.

In this situation the league suspended EJ 4 days after the event occurred once the injury was made known, nothing would have happened without the injury. Therefore I concluded that the league was suspending EJ retroactively to the fact an injury resulted from the play.

Suspensions MAY NOT be due to an injury, their length MAY be due to injury.
I think Shanny is flat out lying. If you have identical plays, the one where an injury occurs will end up with a suspension. They just don't want to come out and say that.

It's why Kadri didn't receive a suspension for an obvious checking from behind, and it took the league two days to tell EJ he might be suspended for his slash. They thought Nielsen was fine, and didn't say **** for two days until they heard he broke his thumb.

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Injury = suspension
No injury = no suspension

That LENGTH of the suspension is just a lame excuse. You can't define the LENGTH of something that doesn't exist. If there's no suspension, there's no LENGTH.

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