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08-08-2005, 09:55 PM
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Mariusz Czerkawski? EDIT: Salary restructure.

UFA.. I don't think the Isles have signed him yet. Could be signed as a LW on either the first or second line. Depends if Lindros is signed.

If you haven't already noticed I'm in the mood to spew out random UFA's.. But I think this could be a very good signing.

I guessed his salary based on total points in the last couple of years. Let's say we pay him 1m...

We could possibly be

Lindros-Sundin-O'Niell
Tucker-Allison-Czerkawski
Antropov-Stajan-Ponikarovsky
Kilger-Wilm-Domi

Since it was said that Wellwood on the 4th line doesn't make much sense (which I happen to agree with now) considering he is a small guy. Not a smart body to put on the checking line.

And everyone wants Stajan to develop as a C, which I have no beef with either. Wilm is a gritty player who didn't do all that bad last year. This could be I think, the most competitive offense we could afford to put out there this season.

Whether we have enough to sign Colaiacovo to an NHL contract AND possibly add Hamrlik is questionable.

So realisticly we have about 10m to spend?

1.5 Lindros + Bonuses (Which could be up to 3m-4.5m)**
1 Czerkawski (Would probably demand more)
2.5 Hamrlik (Would probably demand more)
450k-800k Colaiacovo

If the afforementioned players sign for the exact numbers above, we could pull this off.

1.5 +
1 +
2.5 +
0.8
5.8m

Which leaves 4.2m in cap space for Lindros' and Allisons bonuses.

Keeping in mind we can go up to 2.9m over the cap in bonuses that can transfer over to next years cap.

After all is said and done, is it worth it?


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I bet Czerkawski, if he signs anywhere in the NHL, signs for in the range of 750K

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UFA.. I don't think the Isles have signed him yet. Could be signed as a LW on either the first or second line. Depends if Lindros is signed.

If you haven't already noticed I'm in the mood to spew out random UFA's.. But I think this could be a very good signing.

Can we steal him at about $2.5m?

We could possibly be

Lindros-Sundin-O'Niell
Tucker-Allison-Czerkawski
Antropov-Stajan-Ponikarovsky
Kilger-Wilm-Domi

Since it was said that Wellwood on the 4th line doesn't make much sense (which I happen to agree with now) considering he is a small guy. Not a smart body to put on the checking line.

And everyone wants Stajan to develop as a C, which I have no beef with either. Wilm is a gritty player who didn't do all that bad last year. This could be I think, the most competitive offense we could afford to put out there this season.

Whether we have enough to sign Colaiacovo to an NHL contract AND possibly add Hamrlik is questionable.

So realisticly we have about 10m to spend?

1.5 Lindros + Bonuses (Which could be up to 3m-4.5m)**
2.5 Czerkawski (Would probably demand more)
2.5 Hamrlik (Would probably demand more)
450k-800k Colaiacovo

If the afforementioned players sign for the exact numbers above, we could pull this off.

1.5 +
2.5 +
2.5 +
0.8
7.3m

Which leaves 2.7m in cap space for Lindros' and Allisons bonuses.

Keeping in mind we can go up to 2.9m over the cap in bonuses that can transfer over to next years cap.

After all is said and done, is it worth it?
????

Do you have any clue what you are talking about?

Mariusz Czerkawski for one cent more than 450,000 is a total ripoff. The guy is terrible, a downgrade of anyone on our roster. Czerkawski's alphabet does not include the letter D

Please follow hockey a little bit longer before spouting out anymore free agents

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I bet Czerkawski, if he signs anywhere in the NHL, signs for in the range of 750K
..What? Being sarcastic? I hope so.

I'd really love that... But look at his stats.

http://www.nhlpa.com/WebStats/Player...hy.asp?ID=1211

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Colo's contract states if he plays in the NHL it'll be for 859,000 this year. So there isn't anyway we can bring him up for 450,000.

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????Do you have any clue what you are talking about?
What the hell are you talking about? Do YOU have any clue what you're talking about?

How the hell is this guy a downgrade? He is 33 years old, and got 49 points last year.

You must have some vendetta against this guy to think he is terrible.

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..What? Being sarcastic? I hope so.

I'd really love that... But look at his stats.

http://www.nhlpa.com/WebStats/Player...hy.asp?ID=1211
DUDE under the last CBA Montreal signed him as an UFA for about 900,000 and released him during the season

Anything more than 450,000 is a big ripoff

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Colo's contract states if he plays in the NHL it'll be for 859,000 this year. So there isn't anyway we can bring him up for 450,000.
Honestly, Code doesn't know anything guys.

But I was only estimating Czercawski's salary based on his numbers in the last couple of seasons.

If we can get this guy for under 2 mill it's great. I don't see the argument that this guy is **** being a valid one.

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What the hell are you talking about? Do YOU have any clue what you're talking about?

How the hell is this guy a downgrade? He is 33 years old, and got 49 points last year.

You must have some vendetta against this guy to think he is terrible.

Hogland scored 49 points for us one season too, so since he has proven chemestry lets give him 4 million per year

Geeze really this is one argument you should back away from, since you have NO clue what the heck you are talking about.

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He's a defensive liability... Why not just bring Berezin back?

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Hogland scored 49 points for us one season too, so since he has proven chemestry lets give him 4 million per year

Geeze really this is one argument you should back away from, since you have NO clue what the heck you are talking about.
Dude calm down, all you had to say was that I made a mistake. Now you're just being a ******** about it.

Like I said I based my estimate on his points in the last couple of years. Even if I was wrong about his salary, why would you say no to 50 pts for under 1 million?

You would rather rely on people like Antropov who had 31 pts last season? Fine with me..

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He's a defensive liability... Why not just bring Berezin back?
Defensive liability? He plays RW.

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http://www.nhlpa.com/WebStats/Player...hy.asp?ID=1211

So he has one horrible season so he is **** now? If you're trying to make that argument then you must not like the signing of O'Niell.

..........................GP G A P PIM
1997-98 NYIS, NHL 68 12 13 25 23
1998-99 NYIS, NHL 78 21 17 38 14
1999-00 NYIS, NHL 79 35 35 70 34
2000-01 NYIS, NHL 82 30 32 62 48
2001-02 NYIS, NHL 82 22 29 51 48
2002-03 MONT, NHL 43 5 9 14 16
2002-03 HAMB, AHL 20 8 12 20 12
2003-04 NYIS, NHL 81 25 24 49 16

If you people are too lazy to click the link.

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Defensive liability? He plays RW.
Uhhhh, the last time I checked, you can still be a defensive liability without being a defenseman.

Czerkawski sucks. There's a reason why he bounces around so much.

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Unless he's playing with Yashin, the man is useless. I'd stay far far away.

Oh, he'd also be the most useless defensive player on a Leafs squad since Berezin.

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Quote:
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http://www.nhlpa.com/WebStats/Player...hy.asp?ID=1211

So he has one horrible season so he is **** now? If you're trying to make that argument then you must not like the signing of O'Niell.

..........................GP G A P PIM
1997-98 NYIS, NHL 68 12 13 25 23
1998-99 NYIS, NHL 78 21 17 38 14
1999-00 NYIS, NHL 79 35 35 70 34
2000-01 NYIS, NHL 82 30 32 62 48
2001-02 NYIS, NHL 82 22 29 51 48
2002-03 MONT, NHL 43 5 9 14 16
2002-03 HAMB, AHL 20 8 12 20 12
2003-04 NYIS, NHL 81 25 24 49 16

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O'neill can at least contribute if he's not putting up points. Cant say the same for Czerkawski. Pass.

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So he has one horrible season so he is **** now? If you're trying to make that argument then you must not like the signing of O'Niell.
You aren't exactly getting the point. Its not that he can't pot in a few goals, its that he's lazy, doesn't do anything in the defensive end, fails to try etc. He's got a good shot and some wheels to him, but I wouldn't want him playing here.

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Uhhhh, the last time I checked, you can still be a defensive liability without being a defenseman.

Czerkawski sucks. There's a reason why he bounces around so much.
And Antropov is much better? I honestly hate Antropov with a passion. I don't see the hype about him in everyone.

Every player has their negatives. Czerkawski can't back check. Ok. That's when we need to go after a defensive defenceman and there you go.

At the end of the day this guy can put points up, and yet no one wants him.

The UFA market is thin enough as it is, you can't be picky.

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Ok it's apparent no one likes this guy. I've yet someone to agree with me so I'll back away.. lol..

I just personally think, we need to make up for the lost offense in

Mogilny
Niewendyk
Nolan (He DID contribute somewhat)
Roberts

We've done good so far with O'Niell and Allison.

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And Antropov is much better? I honestly hate Antropov with a passion. I don't see the hype about him in everyone.

Every player has their negatives. Czerkawski can't back check. Ok. That's when we need to go after a defensive defenceman and there you go.

At the end of the day this guy can put points up, and yet no one wants him.

The UFA market is thin enough as it is, you can't be picky.
Antropov throws his body around and does play defensively. He even gets criticized for it, such as last season where he tried to block a shot and inadvertantly tipped it in (I'm not sure why everyone was so down on him after that, but whatever).

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And Antropov is much better? I honestly hate Antropov with a passion. I don't see the hype about him in everyone.

Every player has their negatives. Czerkawski can't back check. Ok. That's when we need to go after a defensive defenceman and there you go.

At the end of the day this guy can put points up, and yet no one wants him.

The UFA market is thin enough as it is, you can't be picky.
Yes, actually he is.

You can't make a 1 to 1 comparison to Czerkasski's totals and Antropov's totals from the last NHL season.

Cerkwaski is at the tail end of his prime (or arguably past it). Antropov is just about to hit his prime (without even taking into account that players of Antropov's size take longer to develop), not to mention the fact that his development hasn't exactly been smooth sailing (due to injuries) and such.

If you hate Antropov, you're going to despise Czerkawski. Antropov isn't the greatest two-way player, but he actually back-checks and plays defense unlike Czerkawski and he won't cower under physical pressure. Antropov is much less one dimensional than Czerkawski and he hasn't even fully developed yet.

The UFA market still has some decent players, we don't need to sign someone for the sake of signing someone. I.e. The Leafs can be selective or "picky" to a degree.

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Antropov throws his body around and does play defensively. He even gets criticized for it, such as last season where he tried to block a shot and inadvertantly tipped it in (I'm not sure why everyone was so down on him after that, but whatever).
If this guy is going to break out, I hope it's soon. I haven't seen any signs indicating that this year is the year though.

I don't know what he did in Russia. Good? Bad? He throws his body around, but also gets hurt alot. He is slow, and his reactions are slow.

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Ok it's apparent no one likes this guy. I've yet someone to agree with me so I'll back away.. lol..

I just personally think, we need to make up for the lost offense in

Mogilny
Niewendyk
Nolan (He DID contribute somewhat)
Roberts

We've done good so far with O'Niell and Allison.
You are right we do have to make up for that lost offense.

It wouldn't be idiotic to assume that we could expect some improvement from Stajan, Ponikarvosky and yes, even the whipping boy Antropov.

As well, we should probably sign a UFA forward, but Czerkawski isn't it.

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Ok it's apparent no one likes this guy. I've yet someone to agree with me so I'll back away.. lol..

I just personally think, we need to make up for the lost offense in

Mogilny
Niewendyk
Nolan (He DID contribute somewhat)
Roberts

We've done good so far with O'Niell and Allison.
Lets say O'Neil regains form, 65 points.

Allison does so as well, maybe a bit worse than in seasons past. We'll give him 65 points as well.

Thats 130 points. The four players above combined for 176 points last year.

Personally, I'm 95% confident that Allison won't be having injury problems due to past issues, so right now, we're not even looking to be that bad off.

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