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08-08-2005, 11:38 PM
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Get Brendan Witt...

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LACROIX, GET HIM! GET HIM! GET HIM! GET HIM! Trade wolski. Trade Sauer. Trade a first rounder. Do anything to get this guy!

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A 1st rounder? That's ridiculous.

I'd trade Sauer or something else for him, but how are we going to make room for his salary demands?

Say he wants over 1.5$ million...what then?

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You would be insane to trade that for Brendan Witt in todays NHL...

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He is exatly what this team needs with Foote gone. We need a big, physical defenseman, who can shut down an opposing forward. Question is, does Mcphee want to trade his captain to us again, and risk getting burned again. I'm not sure he does, especially when it might involve another prospect, in Wolski. I just hope PL doesn't use Danny as trade bait. We have taken too many loses to our leadership, and it could really hurt our chemistry even more, since everyone loves him.

BTW Ensane, he signed his QO from Washington, that is worth $1,672,000. He'll be a UFA next offseason.

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He is exatly what this team needs with Foote gone. We need a big, physical defenseman, who can shut down an opposing forward. Question is, does Mcphee want to trade his captain to us again, and risk getting burned again. I'm not sure he does, especially when it might involve another prospect, in Wolski. I just hope PL doesn't use Danny as trade bait. We have taken too many loses to our leadership, and it could really hurt our chemistry even more, since everyone loves him.

BTW Ensane, he signed his QO from Washington, that is worth $1,672,000. He'll be a UFA next offseason.
Hmm, I heard reports of that, but so far it's unconfirmed through TSN. I'll go with the flow though.

Sauer or anyone with less salary IMO adds too much salary to the mix. I'd love to get Witt, but lets see how we can fill our roster out before we try to upgrade.

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We can't fit him under the cap.

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Hmm, I heard reports of that, but so far it's unconfirmed through TSN. I'll go with the flow though.

Sauer or anyone with less salary IMO adds too much salary to the mix. I'd love to get Witt, but lets see how we can fill our roster out before we try to upgrade.
I was just going by what I read, from the article posted in the original thread. I assumed it was true.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...080801548.html

I'm not sure how to fit him under the cap either, but it would be nice if we could, without giving up important parts of our roster.


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well admit i exaggerated what colorado should offer as i'm obviously enthusiastic about getting witt. there's no doubt limited cap room to deal with. however, trading hinote and sauer would open up a further 1 M in cap room...which could be enough seeing that the avs already seem to have 1 M in available cap space already. as well, it appears skrastins has already signed his QO as his salary is listed as 1.4 M on the NHLPA website. maybe colorado could trade him though it pretty much appears to be a lateral move. but witt is a far more physical defenseman the avs desperately need.

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You would be insane to trade that for Brendan Witt in todays NHL...

I agree, witt would be a penalty machine and even offering wolski is simply crazy..

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I agree, witt would be a penalty machine and even offering wolski is simply crazy..
possible...i can't disagree with that. the avs already have 3 hard hitting d-men. but witt is a physical specialist. he doesn't have foote's mobility...a big drawback. but it's nice to have another body that hits everything. if, however, i had to choose between scratch and him, i choose karlis because he's more well rounded. yet witt brings an element colorado needs.


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possible...i can't disagree with that. the avs already have 3 hard hitting d-men. but witt is a physical specialist. he doesn't have foote's mobility...a big drawback. but it's nice to have another body that hits everything. if, however, i had to choose between scratch and him, i choose karlis because he's more well rounded.
I consider them to have two, since Bougner may be a scratch. Blake and Ossi are the only real physical blueliners, and they are likely to be paired together. Some disagree, but I still maintain our weaknesses are toughness on the top two lines, and toughness on the blueline. The softness on the top lines, is a bigger weakness though IMO.

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I consider them to have two, since Bougner may be a scratch. Blake and Ossi are the only real physical blueliners, and they are likely to be paired together. Some disagree, but I still maintain our weaknesses are toughness on the top two lines, and toughness on the blueline. The softness on the top lines, is a bigger weakness though IMO.
Correctamundo!

While Witt would be nice, he's not the Avs' top "need priority" right now. Not to diss him in any way, but he's not worth further straining the Avs' CAP problems.

The Avs DO need some toughness added to the top 2 lines. Svatos may be exciting, but I have serious doubts his durability issues will yield more than 50 games. HIS slot is the first priority -- maybe the only remaining priority -- to fix.

Given the new rules, our D looks just fine. Witt's a good one, but his style (even with the new rules) is probably a better fit in the East, and his trade value's the highest there, too.

Beyond that, I seriously question his judgement in going "public" with his trade demands. Not very classy. Not indicative of a veteran player who understands team-chemistry, either.

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id give up strakins, pick and say hinote for witt...though karli is good too.

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I'd say a simular deal as Konowalchuk. Sauer and a 3rd for Witt and a 5th.

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I'd say a simular deal as Konowalchuk. Sauer and a 3rd for Witt and a 5th.
Former Avs 1st rounder Jonas Johansson, or whatever name he had, was also part of the konowalchuk trade. i don't think it would take quite as much to get witt from the capitals. sauer and a 5th should just about do it...though it would suck to lose a young defenseman like kurt. he's got the potential to be a top 4 defenseman on this team. in anyone's going to be traded to get witt, it'd have to be skrastins. but i don't see that happening.

fyi foppa, i don't think the avs lack of grit on the top two lines will hurt them. sakic, hejduk, tanguay and drury carried this team offensively during the '01 playoffs when peter went down. they weren't soft, but they also weren't gritty either (though sakic did knock down stevens a few times). the avs had the luxury of hinote and nemo playing like second liners when they were moved up the depth chart. i would imagine konowalchuk and laperriere could easily do the same if the situation calls for it. i also believe that turgeon, sakic, hejduk, tanguay, brunette and svatos aren't afraid of rough play either. as long as the avs have some gritty wingers (may, laperriere, konowalchuk, hinote), i don't perceive toughness at forward to be much of an issue.

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Former Avs 1st rounder Jonas Johansson, or whatever name he had, was also part of the konowalchuk trade. i don't think it would take quite as much to get witt from the capitals. sauer and a 5th should just about do it...though it would suck to lose a young defenseman like kurt. he's got the potential to be a top 4 defenseman on this team. in anyone's going to be traded to get witt, it'd have to be skrastins. but i don't see that happening.

fyi foppa, i don't think the avs lack of grit on the top two lines will hurt them. sakic, hejduk, tanguay and drury carried this team offensively during the '01 playoffs when peter went down. they weren't soft, but they also weren't gritty either (though sakic did knock down stevens a few times). the avs had the luxury of hinote and nemo playing like second liners when they were moved up the depth chart. i would imagine konowalchuk and laperriere could easily do the same if the situation calls for it. i also believe that turgeon, sakic, hejduk, tanguay, brunette and svatos aren't afraid of rough play either. as long as the avs have some gritty wingers (may, laperriere, konowalchuk, hinote), i don't perceive toughness at forward to be much of an issue.
Well like you said, they had Nemo, and Hinote on those lines, so it wasn't quite like what we have now. I suppose they could move up Lappy, or someone else, to go along with Kono, and that would help, but I would much rather see them stay where they are, and a power forward type brought it, although I admit, I'm not sure who that could be. That cup winning team, was a very special team, as has been said before, with Bourque being here. They accomplished a lot they shouldn't have, after Forsberg went down. Bourque was responsible for that, and that's why a lot of fans outside of Colorado don't understand why we retired his number.

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To make room I think the Avs overpay, but not necessarily in a bad way. Hinote, Sauer for Witt should open up the space we'd need to keep Brendan. But if I was gm and could make a deal right now like that I'd be trying to get a third line center, like Tyler Wright or Jeff Halpern.

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Just a question - but why not look at Vishnevski in Anaheim? Dunno what his contract looks like $-wise, but he skates adequately and is definitely physical. He's probably cheaper than Witt and the Ducks look like they need to move salary.

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I've always liked Witt. I think if there is a realistic way to get this done it would be a major boost to our team.

As far as the "would not be a good fit in today's NHL"...I'm not gonna hold my breath on that one. I mean, yeah we now have shootouts, no red line and smaller goalie equipment but as far as obstruction goes, we've heard the same old song time and again and until they prove that they can call the game the same way in October as they can in April, I'm not gonna be convinced. It would be nice to have Witt as a backup plan and I don't believe he's as one-dimensional as many would have us believe.

I would offer Boughner and Hinote for Witt as he would be a major upgrade over the Bougherman.

The Caps and Avs seem to be good trading partners in recent years with the Konowalchuk deal and with the draft day trade as well...would be awesome to get him in my opinion. (He's much better than you think)

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I'll disagree here.

I think Brendan Witt has become highly overrated as a result of logging monstrous minutes on a horrendous Capitals blue-line.

I find him to have below average foot speed, uses alot of clutching and grabbing, and he has almost no offensive instincts to speak of. Now, when I say offensive instincts, I don't mean a cannon from the point or end-to-end rushes. I mean, Witt struggles to even make the simple outlet pass.

He is a terrible passer, and I don't think that fits our club whatsoever as we rely on the likes of Blake, Liles, etc. to make those passes and start us up ice. Furthermore, I feel the role that Witt would occupy with this club can be filled by any one of Ossi Vaananen, Bob Boughner or Kurt Sauer(of course the last two in a smaller role) without giving up any assets, more cap room, or forcing a trade.

Don't get me wrong... I like Witt, and I think he's a good #3-#4 defenseman, but I think people here highly overrate him and I would absolutely hate to see us move two roster players for him.

A deal I'd consider would be jeri's offer of Sauer and a 3rd for Witt and a 5th.

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Did someone mention he would be a one-year rental (UFA next season)? If so, some of the proposals are just plain ridiculous! He may address a need, but it isn't our biggest need and we don't need to throw players away to generate significant cap space just to sign a guy like Witt! A top-end guy, yes...Brendan Witt??? NO!

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id give up strakins, pick and say hinote for witt...though karli is good too.

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I'll disagree here.

I think Brendan Witt has become highly overrated as a result of logging monstrous minutes on a horrendous Capitals blue-line.

I find him to have below average foot speed, uses alot of clutching and grabbing, and he has almost no offensive instincts to speak of. Now, when I say offensive instincts, I don't mean a cannon from the point or end-to-end rushes. I mean, Witt struggles to even make the simple outlet pass.

He is a terrible passer, and I don't think that fits our club whatsoever as we rely on the likes of Blake, Liles, etc. to make those passes and start us up ice. Furthermore, I feel the role that Witt would occupy with this club can be filled by any one of Ossi Vaananen, Bob Boughner or Kurt Sauer(of course the last two in a smaller role) without giving up any assets, more cap room, or forcing a trade.

Don't get me wrong... I like Witt, and I think he's a good #3-#4 defenseman, but I think people here highly overrate him and I would absolutely hate to see us move two roster players for him.

A deal I'd consider would be jeri's offer of Sauer and a 3rd for Witt and a 5th.
I guess I must have gotten lucky when I watched him 'cuz he looked pretty good to me. I must admit that I don't go out of my way to watch Caps games but I must have seen him about 10 times in the past 3-4 years and I always though that he was a guy that was tough to play against.

I'll definitely agree that if the NEW NHL they are promising us comes true than he would not be needed on the Avs but like I said, I'll believe it when I see it.

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Dont want him really. We already have a deep D.

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