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02-17-2014, 05:10 PM
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I usually agree with the Coach more than this. This time I thought he was too cavalier in undervaluing our young defencemen and our depth forwards. I do agree that Erixon is a gem though. I haven't seen much of him this year (I don't now if the Coach has either) but Erixon had some flashes of brilliance last year.

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I'm a big fan of DMac and agree that he's not that easily replaced.
I was thinking about this after my initial response and I am in agreement. If D-Mac can be had for 1-1.5 mill for 2 years, why not? Its not like we're going to get a young 4th liner who will develop into a top 6 guy i his stead, so why not keep a guy who makes a very positive impact. Comeau, meh let him go.

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[QUOTE=major major;80054373]I usually agree with the Coach more than this. This time I thought he was too cavalier in undervaluing our young defencemen and our depth forwards. I do agree that Erixon is a gem though. I haven't seen much of him this year (I don't now if the Coach has either) but Erixon had some flashes of brilliance last year.[/QUOTE]

Interesting to see a guy who played so many important minutes down the stretch last year be buried in Springfield. I get it though. Lots of fluctuation with the young guys (Gobulef, Savard, Prout) and thrown in Ryan Murray and its a logjam.

Wouldn't be surprised to see him get some action though. There's gonna be a lot of games in a short span. Who knows with injuries.

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An interesting analysis of potential roster moves from The Coach at UnionBlue:

http://www.theunionblue.com/2014/02/.../#comment-8657
This is a pretty good article, the biggest thing I disagree with is saying Girardi, Bolland, and Khudobin would come out to 7.5mil. No chance in hell that happens. Girardi was apparently asking for somewhere around 5-6m and Khudobin will resign in Carolina for anything around 3m or less. Guaranteed.

Also, Khudobin wants to be a starter and is looking to push Cam Ward out of that role. He left Boston for that reason. He wouldn't come here to Columbus and back up Bob.

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Also, Khudobin wants to be a starter and is looking to push Cam Ward out of that role. He left Boston for that reason. He wouldn't come here to Columbus and back up Bob.
Thats exactly what I was thinking when I saw that. I would love to have him, but Khudobin is playing like a starter, and if not Carolina, he will go somewhere to be one.

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If not Khudobin, any thoughts on Al Montoya as the backup? He makes $601,000, will he ask for more? Does he deserve it? Is he like Khudobin and wants a starting gig with some team?

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If not Khudobin, any thoughts on Al Montoya as the backup? He makes $601,000, will he ask for more? Does he deserve it? Is he like Khudobin and wants a starting gig with some team?
If Winnipeg had any sense, they'd try to move Pavelec and roll with Montoya on the roster for next year (whether as starter or backup).

In other words, I fully expect Montoya to be on the open market.

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We need a defenseman that can throw some good hip checks though. I miss that with Hejda and to a lesser extent Methot.

If we were winning and there was less than a minute left in the game, you KNEW Hejda was going to throw an awesomely unnecessary hip check.
I miss the Hejda hip check SO MUCH OMFG.

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An interesting analysis of potential roster moves from The Coach at UnionBlue:

http://www.theunionblue.com/2014/02/.../#comment-8657
Not a big fan of dumping DMac either. I mean, if we can get value in that position, sure, but I wouldn't go into the offseason blithely assuming he's easily replaceable. Assuming his contract demands aren't entirely unreasonable, I'd keep him for locker room continuity if nothing else.

I'd be tempted to move Nikitin at the deadline just to get value back, what with Erixon chomping at the bit. I have this vague feeling that he's going to end up getting Jeff Fingered in the offseason once all the better FAs are gone.

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An interesting analysis of potential roster moves from The Coach at UnionBlue:

http://www.theunionblue.com/2014/02/.../#comment-8657
Thanks for sharing. I've got some issues with his analysis, but a pretty good read.

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Forget anything to do with Thomas Vanek. He's looked awful this Olympics, and he hasn't been a good team player for his country.

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If Winnipeg had any sense, they'd try to move Pavelec and roll with Montoya on the roster for next year (whether as starter or backup).

In other words, I fully expect Montoya to be on the open market.
I noticed some back ups make $1.5 million. You think Jarmo is willing to pony up that much money to add a solid back up? Would you guys be mad if they spent that much on a back up? Would you/they(Jarmo and JD) rather go back to a crappier goalie and pay him $600,000 range?

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Forget anything to do with Thomas Vanek. He's looked awful this Olympics, and he hasn't been a good team player for his country.
So give NY whatever they want for Grabner

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So give NY whatever they want for Grabner
comment win!

He is an enigma...

I saw Michael Grabner as a skinny (er) 16 year old ... watched him go on a ridiculous pace of something like 23 goals in 30 games to finish out his draft year ... literally doing it all on his own, on a terrible team. The next year, the team was better, Grabner put up respectable numbers, but by season's end, looked completely disinterested and seemed like he was short-timing it to the AHL.

The guy is a superb skater, has a great shot, and when he's ticked off and competitive, is as dangerous a goal scorer as anyone else in the world. When he's not interested, he's comparable to Nikolai Zherdev at his worst.

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I noticed some back ups make $1.5 million. You think Jarmo is willing to pony up that much money to add a solid back up? Would you guys be mad if they spent that much on a back up? Would you/they(Jarmo and JD) rather go back to a crappier goalie and pay him $600,000 range?
I don't see any reason why we would need to. I have no problem with what we have been doing.

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comment win!

He is an enigma...

I saw Michael Grabner as a skinny (er) 16 year old ... watched him go on a ridiculous pace of something like 23 goals in 30 games to finish out his draft year ... literally doing it all on his own, on a terrible team. The next year, the team was better, Grabner put up respectable numbers, but by season's end, looked completely disinterested and seemed like he was short-timing it to the AHL.

The guy is a superb skater, has a great shot, and when he's ticked off and competitive, is as dangerous a goal scorer as anyone else in the world. When he's not interested, he's comparable to Nikolai Zherdev at his worst.
I'm sure its frustrating when he's not scoring and you know how amazingly fast Grabner is, but at worst he's still a useful player, which the worst of Zherdev was not. I think of him as a great third liner, great PKer, who can occasionally pile in the goals. That's pretty helpful.

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I noticed some back ups make $1.5 million. You think Jarmo is willing to pony up that much money to add a solid back up? Would you guys be mad if they spent that much on a back up? Would you/they(Jarmo and JD) rather go back to a crappier goalie and pay him $600,000 range?
My answer is a definite yes. We just aren't that good of a team with a bunch of Mcbackups in net, and goalies get injured frequently. We'll probably have the money, unless we land Vanek or something, so why not get a better backup? If the term is short enough for a top back up I wouldn't be opposed to spending >2m.

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I'm sure its frustrating when he's not scoring and you know how amazingly fast Grabner is, but at worst he's still a useful player, which the worst of Zherdev was not. I think of him as a great third liner, great PKer, who can occasionally pile in the goals. That's pretty helpful.
I've probably seen Michael Grabner play over 200 times ... most of which was from about 15 feet off of the ice. The assessment I gave above is going to be awful difficult to sway me on. He is lightning quick, but he doesn't use his speed effectively enough, often enough. He's not strong enough to throw punishing checks or separate players from the puck ... and to do any of that, he would have to go to the difficult areas of the rink, which he avoids on a regular basis. Especially when he's not on his game. He doesn't block shots, won't drop the mitts to spark the bench, and it is mighty difficult to even get him to utter a few words. When he's on his game, he's using his speed to take the puck up the ice, find a lane, and shoot ... that's really his entire value.

He's an incredibly frustrating player to watch. A guy who could easily be a top liner, but just doesn't have the competitive nature of one.

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I don't see any reason why we would need to. I have no problem with what we have been doing.
Reason I brought it up is because some people were like this. Look at the other response I got below in this post.
Are you fine with McElhinney as the back up then or was it more of, sign another goalie for $600,000 not named McElhinney?
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My answer is a definite yes. We just aren't that good of a team with a bunch of Mcbackups in net, and goalies get injured frequently. We'll probably have the money, unless we land Vanek or something, so why not get a better backup? If the term is short enough for a top back up I wouldn't be opposed to spending >2m.
I woud have no issue with $1.5 for a solid back up but I would have an issue with $2 million.

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If you look at the goalie stats, there are an amazing number of backups with 15 + starts that have great numbers. Some are low paid, some a bit higher. In my mind we need a guy who can do better than 2.80 and .908. How much we spend is irrelevant to me-I'll trust Jarmo & Co to manage the cap but an upgrade is definitely needed imo.


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My answer is a definite yes. We just aren't that good of a team with a bunch of Mcbackups in net, and goalies get injured frequently. We'll probably have the money, unless we land Vanek or something, so why not get a better backup? If the term is short enough for a top back up I wouldn't be opposed to spending >2m.
I agree with you. We definitely could use an upgrade with a cap-friendly contract and term. We need all the points we can get. An injury to Bob could sink a season. An upgrade is a must.

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Reason I brought it up is because some people were like this. Look at the other response I got below in this post.
Are you fine with McElhinney as the back up then or was it more of, sign another goalie for $600,000 not named McElhinney?

I woud have no issue with $1.5 for a solid back up but I would have an issue with $2 million.
Either. I really don't see it as a big issue. I have no problem spending a little more. I just don't think we need to.

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I've probably seen Michael Grabner play over 200 times ... most of which was from about 15 feet off of the ice. The assessment I gave above is going to be awful difficult to sway me on. He is lightning quick, but he doesn't use his speed effectively enough, often enough. He's not strong enough to throw punishing checks or separate players from the puck ... and to do any of that, he would have to go to the difficult areas of the rink, which he avoids on a regular basis. Especially when he's not on his game. He doesn't block shots, won't drop the mitts to spark the bench, and it is mighty difficult to even get him to utter a few words. When he's on his game, he's using his speed to take the puck up the ice, find a lane, and shoot ... that's really his entire value.

He's an incredibly frustrating player to watch. A guy who could easily be a top liner, but just doesn't have the competitive nature of one.
Sounds a lot like Jason Williams, only with a higher ceiling when he's on and a lower floor when he's not.

At least when Williams was asked to defend, he'd flail around and maybe get in the way.

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Sounds a lot like Jason Williams, only with a higher ceiling when he's on and a lower floor when he's not.

At least when Williams was asked to defend, he'd flail around and maybe get in the way.
Grabner is not that bad defensively, and defences have to make adjustments when he is on the ice because of his insane speed. Mr. Shorthanded Goal. Williams on the other hand was mostly a power play specialist, and was so slow he was a liability.

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Probably more of Portzline's suggestions/opinion rather then legit rumours but saw these 2 questions/answers from todays chat.

Hi Porty, thanks for the great coverage (but mad abot the lack of poddys..) any truth to the Brandon Dubinsky for Tuomo Ruutu rumors? Read multiple reports about CBJ interest in Ruutu but conflicting things on the cost.

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I could see Ruutu becoming a Blue Jacket, yes. I think Ruutu will be moved yes, but only if the Hurricanes are willing to eat a lot of his contract. That's a ridiculous bill of sale and he can't be moved unless some of the money is held back. But, I don't see anyway the Blue Jackets would trade Dubinsky for Ruutu. Nobody's untouchable in Jarmo's world, but a trade like that would make no sense on any level. Dubinsky is sooo important to this Blue Jackets team. I don't know why more people don't see that.


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Realistically, who are a few players you could see Jarmo trying to pick up? - See more

Cammalleri, Ott, Moulson, O'Reilly ... there's a few guys out there. And I think Jagr could be a Penguin again, a fitting end to his career. If it's ever finished -


Thoughts?

I've seen Ruutu's name linked to Columbus but don't recall it being in exchange for Dubinsky. Wouldn't mind Ruutu but like Portzline said, only if the Canes pick up a lot of his cap hit. Last year, they ate 50 % on Jokinen's contract and he's been solid for the Pens.

As for the other names he suggested. JD did say no rentals but who knows and Dater said he thinks the Av's will hold onto O'Reilly for at least this season. Maybe Jarmo goes after him at the draft?

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