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02-14-2014, 10:36 PM
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Always thinking of proposals in my head and I figure why not give this one a go.
Both sides probably wont make the deal though.

To Pittsburgh:
Bobby Ryan

To Ottawa:
Beau
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Ottawa needs a strong defensemen who can slot in the top 4 and possibly solidify the top pairing. Beau is arguably the top offensive prospect Pittsburgh has and can probably slot were Bobby Ryan was. Bobby Ryan is going to command top dollar 7-8 mill over 8 years. Ottawa I do not know if they want to do that so Pittsburgh sends 2 RFA's who will not command top dollar and can be roster players right away.

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02-14-2014, 10:36 PM
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I thought that Ottawa said they want to be a win now team. Based on that premise I don't see the Sen's parting with Ryan for two younger albeit promising players.

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First thread

Always thinking of proposals in my head and I figure why not give this one a go.
Both sides probably wont make the deal though.

To Pittsburgh:
Bobby Ryan

To Ottawa:
Beau
Depres



Ottawa needs a strong defensemen who can slot in the top 4 and possibly solidify the top pairing. Beau is arguably the top offensive prospect Pittsburgh has and can probably slot were Bobby Ryan was. Bobby Ryan is going to command top dollar 7-8 mill over 8 years. Ottawa I do not know if they want to do that so Pittsburgh sends 2 RFA's who will not command top dollar and can be roster players right away.

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I don't think Sens fans are going to like this, Ryan was there big prize acquisition 6 months ago now? and you want them to flip him for arguably a less attractive package than the one they sent out to acquire him.

Even if you disagree with that value wise it still seems nonsensical for them to do this.

They were the team giving up the quantity for greater quality, presumably they would just re-sign Ryan and make him the focal point of their team.

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Dont need either and not enough value.

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I don't think Sens fans are going to like this, Ryan was there big prize acquisition 6 months ago now? and you want them to flip him for arguably a less attractive package than the one they sent out to acquire him.

Even if you disagree with that value wise it still seems nonsensical for them to do this.

They were the team giving up the quantity for greater quality, presumably they would just re-sign Ryan and make him the focal point of their team.
Now I understand value wise Pittsburgh gets more out if it. However the question is will Ottawa open its wallet up for Bobby Ryan?

In Anaheim a 30 goal scorer 4 seasons in a row with none-little first line power play time.

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02-14-2014, 10:53 PM
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Allegedly Melnyk is supposed to be opening the wallet back up after he threw his hissy fit over not getting to build his casino.

I guess that's one of those we'll all know when we see it situations though.

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I would do it in the off-season if the Sens get the sense that Ryan won't re-sign. That's with adding a 1st though I must say.

Bennett + Despres + late first in 2015

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Silfverberg + Noesen + mid first in less than stellar draft

Considering that's one less contract year left for Ryan with equal value, that's a win in my books.

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Allegedly Melnyk is supposed to be opening the wallet back up after he threw his hissy fit over not getting to build his casino.

I guess that's one of those we'll all know when we see it situations though.
Melnyk throws hissy fits?

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I would do it in the off-season if the Sens get the sense that Ryan won't re-sign. That's with adding a 1st though I must say.

Bennett + Despres + late first in 2015

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Silfverberg + Noesen + mid first in less than stellar draft

Considering that's one less contract year left for Ryan with equal value, that's a win in my books.
Gotta think that would be the price tag, with ONE caution.

Two years of Ryan > One year of Ryan.

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the cost controlled/only legitimate top 6 winger in the pens pipeline will not be moved. pittsburgh needs a winger in addition to beau, and moving a dman is really the only way to go.

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Sens aren't moving Ryan for that.

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However the question is will Ottawa open its wallet up for Bobby Ryan?
We traded three young, cost-controlled assets for Ryan with only 2 years left on his contract. There's no way we would have done that if we weren't willing to pay the man.


... now, whether you think he wants to stay or not, that's another question... But we're going to offer him a big payday. It's up to him if he takes it from us, or another team.

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Don't think either side would do this.

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Don't think either side would do this.
Haha what? That's a trade **** by Pittsburgh

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No chance Ottawa goes for that.

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Haha what? That's a trade **** by Pittsburgh
You don't know enough about Despres or Bennett.

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First thread

Always thinking of proposals in my head and I figure why not give this one a go.
Both sides probably wont make the deal though.

To Pittsburgh:
Bobby Ryan

To Ottawa:
Beau
Depres



Ottawa needs a strong defensemen who can slot in the top 4 and possibly solidify the top pairing. Beau is arguably the top offensive prospect Pittsburgh has and can probably slot were Bobby Ryan was. Bobby Ryan is going to command top dollar 7-8 mill over 8 years. Ottawa I do not know if they want to do that so Pittsburgh sends 2 RFA's who will not command top dollar and can be roster players right away.

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Not a chance from the Sens. We are completing a rebuild, not starting one. Ryan will be extended by another 8 years to lock him up until his mid-30s.

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I don't think Sens fans are going to like this, Ryan was there big prize acquisition 6 months ago now? and you want them to flip him for arguably a less attractive package than the one they sent out to acquire him.

Even if you disagree with that value wise it still seems nonsensical for them to do this.

They were the team giving up the quantity for greater quality, presumably they would just re-sign Ryan and make him the focal point of their team.
Agree with this, as a Sens fan.

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I thought that Ottawa said they want to be a win now team. Based on that premise I don't see the Sen's parting with Ryan for two younger albeit promising players.
This too.

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Now I understand value wise Pittsburgh gets more out if it. However the question is will Ottawa open its wallet up for Bobby Ryan?

In Anaheim a 30 goal scorer 4 seasons in a row with none-little first line power play time.
Yes. As stated, it wouldn't have made any sense for us to trade 3 very high quality, young, cost controlled assets for Ryan, only to trade him away (for a lesser package I would say, no less) a year or even less later, to a conference rival that ultimately we likely have to go through to ever win a Cup. It is very likely that both Ryan and Spezza are extended sometime during the offseason.

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02-15-2014, 09:30 AM
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short term that's a damn good trade for Pittsburgh. THe risk of Ryan walking while Beau and Despres are playing top 6 and top 4 minutes on their cheap deals would be rough though.

Either way, if Ott wanted young guys instead of Ryan, wouldn't they have just kept their young guys instead of trading for Ryan?

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02-15-2014, 09:33 AM
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Haha what? That's a trade **** by Pittsburgh
The Pens aren't going to trade Bennett and Despres for a year of Ryan.

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The Pens aren't going to trade Bennett and Despres for a year of Ryan.
ya that's the issue. And even if we re-sign him, it will be for a boatload of money instead of the combine 4-5 mil Despres and Bennett will likely extend for.

The short term upgrade is enticing though.

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Haha what? That's a trade **** by Pittsburgh
You have to understand the Pens roster and salary cap situation.

If this was a decision in a vacuum, it's a no brainer. It's not.

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It would take Maatta to get em to start listening, but I truly believe Bobby is here to stay.

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It would take Maatta to get em to start listening, but I truly believe Bobby is here to stay.
And that would make the Pens laugh hysterically. They're not trading Maatta.

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It would take Maatta to get em to start listening, but I truly believe Bobby is here to stay.
I honestly don't know if I would trade Maatta straight up for Ryan...

OP, all things considered the value is fair IMHO under two conditions: 1. Ottawa goes into rebuild mode. Whether or not they do, I have no idea. I don't keep up with them enough. 2. There are concerns about Ryan resigning. He's said he'd love to sign in Philly so there would have to be indications that he wouldn't resign in Ottawa for them to look to move him.

With that, I wouldn't pay that for 1.5 years of Ryan. That's too much for the Penguins to give up...mainly their only F prospect worth a darn for Ryan not to resign. So, as a Pens fan, I say no. I think Sens say no too as he's their shiny new toy.

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It would take Maatta to get em to start listening, but I truly believe Bobby is here to stay.
Look at the package the Sens paid to land Ryan. Why would it take a bigger package for the Pens to land Ryan with less time on his contract than when the Sens got him?

Note, I'm not saying the Sens will deal him. But Ottawa fans seem to want MORE than what they paid to actually land him, even though he's actually got LESS years on his contract than when they first acquired him.

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