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02-15-2014, 08:10 PM
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Frans Nielsen +1st rounder

Lets start with me stating I don't want to trade Frans unless Strome or Nelson really rip the 2C role from him or we acquire a 2C like Stastny.

Isles would be looking for a defenseman with this package.

My first thought was to Chicago for Hjalmersson. Close at all?

What other defenders could NYI net with this package?

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02-15-2014, 08:12 PM
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it would have to be a for a legit top 4 #2-3 defenseman....


Hjalmer has a crazy good contact that the Hawks are not eager to move.

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Stastny is a first line center

What year is the first this year?

I don't think Chicago would be interested in moving Hjalmersson

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Stastny is a first line center

What year is the first this year?

I don't think Chicago would be interested in moving Hjalmersson
The 1st would be the better of the two we're likely to receive from moving Vanek and Amac.

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02-15-2014, 08:18 PM
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To Detroit
Frans Nielsen
1st round pick 2014

To New York
Jakub Kindl
Xavier Oullett
Martin Frk
2nd round pick 2014

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The 1st would be the better of the two we're likely to receive from moving Vanek and Amac.
Might be able to grab Edler for that package, if it's true Vancouver is retooling.

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To Detroit
Frans Nielsen
1st round pick 2014

To New York
Jakub Kindl
Xavier Oullett
Martin Frk
2nd round pick 2014
Doesn't work for the Isles at all

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Doesn't work for the Isles at all
A second line center for a second pair defensemen, the team's best defensive prospect, a work-in-progress elite junior player and a pick isn't enough? I don't think there's a deal to be made, then. We tried!

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The purpose of this trade would be for ONE single NHL Dman. No packages. I'd be interested in both Edler and Ehrhoff.

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A second line center for a second pair defensemen, the team's best defensive prospect, a work-in-progress elite junior player and a pick isn't enough? I don't think there's a deal to be made, then. We tried!
You left out the 1st rounder. So, yeah.

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A second line center for a second pair defensemen, the team's best defensive prospect, a work-in-progress elite junior player and a pick isn't enough? I don't think there's a deal to be made, then. We tried!
For what it's worth I think you out together a more than fair offer.


I like Kindle but I was under the I pression that he was haveing bad year? And that he had regressed?

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Lets start with me stating I don't want to trade Frans unless Strome or Nelson really rip the 2C role from him or we acquire a 2C like Stastny.

Isles would be looking for a defenseman with this package.

My first thought was to Chicago for Hjalmersson. Close at all?

What other defenders could NYI net with this package?

How about Edler for NYI's top 1st round pick straight up? It would be like the Schneider deal for VAN. Same type of format. It also allows NYI to keep their remaining 1st rounders (potentially) from the pending Vanek and MacDonald deals. And keep Nielson.

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How about Edler for NYI's top 1st round pick straight up? It would be like the Schneider deal for VAN. It also allows NYI to keep their remaining 1st rounders (potentially) from the pending Vanek and MacDonald deals. And keep Nielson.
With the Isles giving up a 1st to Buffalo as it is, I doubt this works for Snow.

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With the Isles giving up a 1st to Buffalo as it is, I doubt this works for Snow.

Snow will have the two 1sts from the Vanek and MacDonald deals remaining.

VAN would get worse in the immediate by doing this. The only incentive for VAN is if its a high quality future asset, something worth waiting on, much like it was in the Schneider deal.

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How about Edler for NYI's top 1st round pick straight up? It would be like the Schneider deal for VAN. Same type of format. It also allows NYI to keep their remaining 1st rounders (potentially) from the pending Vanek and MacDonald deals. And keep Nielson.
And edler decides to waive his no trade clause and play for the nyi because...???

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How about Edler for NYI's top 1st round pick straight up? It would be like the Schneider deal for VAN. Same type of format. It also allows NYI to keep their remaining 1st rounders (potentially) from the pending Vanek and MacDonald deals. And keep Nielson.
Edler has diminishing value while Schneider was coming off a year where he was named Vancouver's #1 but circumstances forced them to get rid of him when there were no takers for Luongo.
The Isles have to give up their 1st in 2014 to Buffalo if it's outside the top 10.
Edler isn't worth a top 10 by himself.

So, if NYI retains the top 10 pick maybe Edler & the Canucks 1st rounder in 2015 to replace the 1 they have to give in return.
Or maybe Canuck fans see that 2015 1st as likely too high to gamble?

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And edler decides to waive his no trade clause and play for the nyi because...???

There's some talk on the boards that Gillis is still taking calls on Kesler, Edler and others, and that the limitations of each NTC is not known outside of management. It could be that Edler's NTC is not fully covered, which would still allow him to be dealt. All speculation of course. (Source on Gillis taking calls: Botchford)

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Snow will have the two 1sts from the Vanek and MacDonald deals remaining.

VAN would get worse in the immediate by doing this. The only incentive for VAN is if its a high quality future asset, something worth waiting on, much like it was in the Schneider deal.
but this is speculation, this isn't definite yet nor did it happen. So as of now, it isn't worth it for snow

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A second line center for a second pair defensemen, the team's best defensive prospect, a work-in-progress elite junior player and a pick isn't enough? I don't think there's a deal to be made, then. We tried!
No you didn't. You offered a package including a guy most Detroit fans are trying to dump and a bunch of futures. The OP was looking to trade a 2/3 C and a 1st for a dman. Not a package of prospects, even good ones. NYI have plenty of d prospects. They'd like a legit 2 or 3 dman.

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Edler has diminishing value while Schneider was coming off a year where he was named Vancouver's #1 but circumstances forced them to get rid of him when there were no takers for Luongo.
The Isles have to give up their 1st in 2014 to Buffalo if it's outside the top 10.
Edler isn't worth a top 10 by himself.

So, if NYI retains the top 10 pick maybe Edler & the Canucks 1st rounder in 2015 to replace the 1 they have to give in return.
Or maybe Canuck fans see that 2015 1st as likely too high to gamble?

Edler has more value than Schneider. Both as a skater vs a goalie, longer track record and longer term deal. Diminishing value only applies to Edler if GMs have very short memories. They don't, so I don't think Edler's value has disappeared.

In short, I think he is worth a top10 pick, so VAN including the 2015 pick is a no go.

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but this is speculation, this isn't definite yet nor did it happen. So as of now, it isn't worth it for snow
Do you mean Snow getting the other two 1st rounders? If so, then yes, it hasn't happened, but I'm just going off what NYI fans say about that.

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With the Isles giving up a 1st to Buffalo as it is, I doubt this works for Snow.
Really?A 1st straight up for a 27 yr old much needed top4 defenseman with a very good contract.

I think that works just fine for Snow.

I doubt VAN does it though. Mayby if its a top5 pick

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Lets start with me stating I don't want to trade Frans unless Strome or Nelson really rip the 2C role from him or we acquire a 2C like Stastny.

Isles would be looking for a defenseman with this package.

My first thought was to Chicago for Hjalmersson. Close at all?

What other defenders could NYI net with this package?
Frans Nielsen AND a first rounder? Our first rounder which will likely be a top 5 pick. For Niklas Hjarmlansson or whatever his name is? Are you friggin serious? What are you talking about guy?

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