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03-04-2014, 08:22 PM
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Did any1 see the laughton fight last night or have a vid?

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So, if I'm understanding you all correctly, he's guaranteed to carry us to consecutive Stanley Cups, a perennial Vezina candidate, and a lock to be a Hall of Famer? That's fine, but don't you think we should try to trade him for a couple centers?

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03-04-2014, 08:37 PM
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He made the jump from not even the highest junior league in the US in the NAHL to the highest junior league in the world in the CHL all things considered I would say that's pretty damn impressive & I wouldn't expect those kind of stats for him last year. Their defense was good but there was still a lot of nights where he was getting peppered with shots specifically in the playoffs.

If you look at the save percentages of goalies in the league more of them are south of .910 than north of it.
Well admittedly I don't get to see much of him. I just really didn't/don't consider him a blue chip prospect.

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03-04-2014, 08:42 PM
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Well admittedly I don't get to see much of him. I just really didn't/don't consider him a blue chip prospect.
I don't neither because I don't really think there's much goalies out there worthy of that title. However Stolarz has exceeding my expectations so far from the moment he was drafted until now in terms of progression.

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03-04-2014, 08:46 PM
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I don't think Stolarz is a blue chip prospect. Very good goalie prospect (top 10), but the only blue chip goalie prospects IMO are Gibson and Vasilevsky

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I don't think Stolarz is a blue chip prospect. Very good goalie prospect (top 10), but the only blue chip goalie prospects IMO are Gibson and Vasilevsky
He's still raw, so he's not in the category of those guys right now, but he has the athleticism, work ethic, and size that you simply cannot coach. He's playing for one of the more storied CHL organizations and he was a legitimate second round prospect when he was drafted.

You can throw whatever tag you want on him, but at the end of the day, as long as he keeps advancing as a player, there's no limited his ceiling yet.

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03-04-2014, 10:05 PM
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What are the main knocks on Akeson? Does the org just hate him like Gus?

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What are the main knocks on Akeson? Does the org just hate him like Gus?
Not good enough defensively to be a bottom 6 forward, not good enough offensively to play a top 6 role seems to be the general criticism.

I'm fine with giving him a shot depending on what we do tomorrow, but I'm not a big believer.

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What are the main knocks on Akeson? Does the org just hate him like Gus?
A seriously undersized frame paired with only subpar to average skating is what was holding him back most so far.
His playmaking skills and hockey sense are NHL level though.

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03-05-2014, 07:00 AM
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A seriously undersized frame paired with only subpar to average skating is what was holding him back most so far.
His playmaking skills and hockey sense are NHL level though.
Yep this is exactly it. Size and skating.

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Downie is small and slow and very stupid on the ice. I'd rather have Akeson on the third line than him.

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Downie is small and slow and very stupid on the ice. I'd rather have Akeson on the third line than him.
downie has great puck possession skills, and is a very underrated playmaker. When he isn't taking dumb penalties he was the key to that line playing so well together.

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Downie is small and slow and very stupid on the ice. I'd rather have Akeson on the third line than him.
Considering the 3rd line is currently used in more of a shutdown role, it doesn't make any sense to put him alongside Couturier. Putting Akeson there pretty much forces us to try to run 3 scoring lines, which isn't the best way to use Couturier and Read.

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Yep this is exactly it. Size and skating.
His skating really isn't that bad. I don't know where this comes from. I definitely wouldn't call it his strength but it's not a glaring weakness either.

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Not good enough defensively to be a bottom 6 forward, not good enough offensively to play a top 6 role seems to be the general criticism.

I'm fine with giving him a shot depending on what we do tomorrow, but I'm not a big believer.
His offense most certainly isn't his problem.

Today I imagine Homer will deal some d-men, Mez at least. Any upcoming moves probably won't effect the forwards.

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03-05-2014, 07:21 AM
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It's easy to **** on a guy underperforming in the nhl and proclaim a guy who's played 1 game in league would do a better job...

Downie still brings a lot that Akeson doesn't. He protects the puck better, has decent hands and has the ability to bring energy.

The reason Akeson isn't up here is because he doesn't bring a whole lot of anything other than what he's been in the ahl; a scorer. Something he won't be at the NHL level.

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downie has great puck possession skills, and is a very underrated playmaker. When he isn't taking dumb penalties he was the key to that line playing so well together.
That was three months ago. He has 4 assists and 33 PIM in his last 22 games.

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03-05-2014, 08:18 AM
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My hope is that if Akeson doesn't get a call up (and Terry Murray has been pushing that Akeson get a call up because he believes Akeson can be a player at this level), then McGinn should be getting the call and being the left winger with Couturier and Read. The guy's having a good season in Adirondack and every time he comes back to Philadelphia, the guy scores goals. There's the replacement for Downie.

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His skating really isn't that bad. I don't know where this comes from. I definitely wouldn't call it his strength but it's not a glaring weakness either.



His offense most certainly isn't his problem.

Today I imagine Homer will deal some d-men, Mez at least. Any upcoming moves probably won't effect the forwards.
I absolutely disagree. From the 3 years I watched him, and during the prospect camps, I can say its almost below average at best. His speed is also not very good. He makes up for it by gliding more with the puck and making some extremely good passes. This is why a player like McGinn works well with Akeson. They both have average skating which makes their whole line slow things down.

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His offense most certainly isn't his problem.

Today I imagine Homer will deal some d-men, Mez at least. Any upcoming moves probably won't effect the forwards.
I said his offense doesn't get him into the top 6. Which one of LeCavalier, Hartnell, Simmonds or Voracek are getting moved out of the top 6 to allow him a spot?

That's what I meant about not good enough. He isn't cracking our top 6 barring injury and he isn't good enough defensively for how we utilize out bottom 6. Given the way they match-up Couturier's line against other top units, Akeson just doesn't have a spot right now.

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Akeson is an AHL player, if he were a NHL player, he'd been promoted by now. He's not only not a fit on the top 6, he's not as good offensively (the whole package, not just passing and shooting, but skating, going into the corner to dig out the puck, transitioning from offense to defense and back) as Read or Raffl, so he'd be a 4th line winger - and he doesn't have the skill set.

Best thing would be to trade him to a bad team for a low round pick as a favor to him.

McGinn is a 4th rd winger, he'll score given the chance, but he's been inconsistent at the AHL level - again, real NHL players rarely repeat in the AHL, unless you want to insist the Flyers are so deep in forward talent that they're stashing potential 20 goal scorers in the AHL?

This is also why I'm skeptical of Cousins, I expected him to be on the first or second line coming off his junior performance, and to put up good offensive numbers while he bulked up and learned to play defense.

If you can't dominate a minor league, what are the odds you can hold your own in the NHL? Now it would help if the Phantoms could actually make a playoff run, because I think playoff performance is a better predictor (both at the junior and AHL level) of a player's performance at the next level (more intense competition exposes flaws).

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Akeson is an AHL player, if he were a NHL player, he'd been promoted by now. He's not only not a fit on the top 6, he's not as good offensively (the whole package, not just passing and shooting, but skating, going into the corner to dig out the puck, transitioning from offense to defense and back) as Read or Raffl, so he'd be a 4th line winger - and he doesn't have the skill set.

Best thing would be to trade him to a bad team for a low round pick as a favor to him.

McGinn is a 4th rd winger, he'll score given the chance, but he's been inconsistent at the AHL level - again, real NHL players rarely repeat in the AHL, unless you want to insist the Flyers are so deep in forward talent that they're stashing potential 20 goal scorers in the AHL?

This is also why I'm skeptical of Cousins, I expected him to be on the first or second line coming off his junior performance, and to put up good offensive numbers while he bulked up and learned to play defense.

If you can't dominate a minor league, what are the odds you can hold your own in the NHL? Now it would help if the Phantoms could actually make a playoff run, because I think playoff performance is a better predictor (both at the junior and AHL level) of a player's performance at the next level (more intense competition exposes flaws).
While I agree with everything you said, I still think Akeson could stick it on 10-15 clubs. Flyers have higher standards when it comes to two-way play than a bunch of clubs.

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While I agree with everything you said, I still think Akeson could stick it on 10-15 clubs. Flyers have higher standards when it comes to two-way play than a bunch of clubs.
Yet most of our forwards are sub par defensively. Explain that

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Yet most of our forwards are sub par defensively. Explain that
Good:
Cooter
Read
Hall

Average:
Schenn
Giroux
Voracek
Raffl
Lecavalier

Bad:
Hartnell
Simmonds
Rinaldo
Downie

Horrible:
We dropped players like Briere/Zherdev

I think its our lack of good defensive forwards. We lost Richards, and haven't completely replaced Lappy/Betts. What I meant to say was our worst defensive forwards aren't that bad.

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Good:
Cooter
Read
Hall

Average:
Schenn
Giroux
Voracek
Raffl
Lecavalier

Bad:
Hartnell
Simmonds
Rinaldo
Downie

Horrible:
We dropped players like Briere/Zherdev
I would bump Raffl to good, Hartnell to average, & Lecavalier down to bad.

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