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02-16-2014, 11:36 AM
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Let's see I will start with Logan C, Vlasic, and Marleau and I still would want more for JVR and Kessel.
Marleau has full nmc and a San Jose based in laws He retires here. Sorry

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Off season could see us considering Reilly + holland + Leivo/1st or similar
Yea, I'm really high on Holland, but honestly, Gardiner looks much better than Rielly this year, I think I'd rather have him.

Gardiner, Holland, Leivo/1st + D-Prospect? I think if do it.

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Marleau has full nmc and a San Jose based in laws He retires here. Sorry

I was having a little fun here, for Leafs to move Kessel and JVR. It would have to be a mega return that it would not be realistic at all.

Fun talking about it though.

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Man Pavelski along the back of a white and blue jersey would look very Sharp

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You'd have to trade either Bozak or Kadri to fill the C position, then add Rielly because there is zero reason for the sharks to trade him for a downgrade at C.

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I would really consider doing Kadri for Pavelski straight up because of our win now mode but that's it... Kadri will be better then Pavelski in 3 years. Also Pavelski would likely play with Lupul... Were not breaking up that Bozak line... Lupul needs a skilled C to play with
Just because we're competitive now doesn't mean it's "win now" mode for the Leafs.

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Pavelski would be great but lets not pretend that Kessel wasn't playing like this before the Olympics too.

Leafs are better off upgrading their defence.

HOWEVER, if it were a deadline trade I would offer Lupul + Gardiner + Bolland + conditional 1st (dependant on Bolland re-signing). Bolland is a UFA, but he helps with your playoff run.

I doubt either team does it though.

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Prying Pavs out of SJ is going to take a an over-payment which Toronto is not going to make.

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Yea, I'm really high on Holland, but honestly, Gardiner looks much better than Rielly this year, I think I'd rather have him.

Gardiner, Holland, Leivo/1st + D-Prospect? I think if do it.
As a leafs fan I do this deal. If it's Reilly instead of Gardiner I don't consider it.

IMO Reilly is stronger defensively already and he has more points in less games this season. Gardiner has a lot if upside but Reilly is on another level.

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Pavelski would be a luxury the leafs can't afford. Why trade for Pavelski, when we already know Bozak fits with JVR and Kessel. Pavelski is a way better player than Bozak, but we have other pressing needs then an upgrade on center. If were making any upgrades it should be on defence.

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My favorite part of this thread is someone undervaluing Pavelski's game because Thornton inflates the point totals of everyone on the team.

Pavelski is the opposite. He can play with fringe AHLers on the third line and still produce. Making claims like that truly outs you as someone who doesn't watch the sharks very often or pay attention to their injury situations.

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Wont happen kessel is too good to play with pavs

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This opinion may be controversial to my fellow sharks fans but I think Pavelski is more important to the team than Couture. Not trying to directly compare them but Pavelski has been the one guy on the sharks you can pretty much rely on in any situation since 2006. There's a reason brian burke called him a swiss army knife. Couture might have more value but without a consistent jack-of-all-trades like Pavelski I don't think the sharks do nearly as well in the regular season as they have this decade. Plus, he's sort of 'clutch', if that really exists.


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Ok, but you do realize that looking it in this simplified way makes the concept of a 1C totally irrelevant in any discussion of value like people we going for here. Obviously Bozak currently plays center on TO's 1st line, he still holds as much value compared to San Jose's 3C as, say, Edmonton's 1D would compared to anyone every getting to make the D lineup in Nashville at all.
I'm not the one who brought up the titles.... simply correcting somebody making the false claim that Pavelski is a #1 Centre.

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Pavelski would be a luxury the leafs can't afford. Why trade for Pavelski, when we already know Bozak fits with JVR and Kessel. Pavelski is a way better player than Bozak, but we have other pressing needs then an upgrade on center. If were making any upgrades it should be on defence.
Yea, this.

Bozak isn't Pavs, but he's a damn nice player. If you are going to give up assets, get something back that strengthens a weak spot.

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Yeah, this is where I actually "lol"ed.

This opinion may be controversial to my fellow sharks fans but I think Pavelski is more important to the team than Couture. Not trying to directly compare them but Pavelski has been the one guy on the sharks you can pretty much rely on in any situation since 2006. There's a reason brian burke called him a swiss army knife. Couture might have more value but without a consistent jack-of-all-trades like Pavelski I don't think the sharks do nearly as well in the regular season as they have this decade. Plus, he's sort of 'clutch', if that really exists.
I agree. IMO pavelski is currently better player over couture. Pavs will not get much better. In a year or three, couture should jump out front.

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My favorite part of this thread is someone undervaluing Pavelski's game because Thornton inflates the point totals of everyone on the team.

Pavelski is the opposite. He can play with fringe AHLers on the third line and still produce. Making claims like that truly outs you as someone who doesn't watch the sharks very often or pay attention to their injury situations.
You realize that a substantial portion of Pavelski's points come on the powerplay with Thornton, right?

This isn't a case of undervaluing his production, simply taking it for what it would likely be on our team. Pavs would probably be a 60+ point all around centre for us, and make our 2nd line substantially more consistent.

Worth $6m? Sure. Worth Kadri+? Sure.... worth Kadri+ a cost controlled young defenceman? no.

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I'm not the one who brought up the titles.... simply correcting somebody making the false claim that Pavelski is a #1 Centre.
Come on. It's known that when someone is labeled a "#1 center" means that given a team with 'average' center depth, they would be the first line center. Trying to twist the meaning of "#1 center" into something else is obtuse.

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You don't think playing behind Thornton helps a #2C like Pavelski.

Pavelski is a good, smart player but he is not the #1C on SJ.


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Explain? You don't think playing behind Thornton helps a #2C like Pavelski.

Pavelski is a good, smart player but he is not the #1C on SJ.
Just cuz someone isn't a first line center on the sharks doesn't mean he's a second line center. Pavelski is one of the 30 best centers in the leauge, which means he's a number 1 center. Sharks have unreal center depth which is why he plays the third spot. Pavelski is everything you'd want from a first line center. He can play the PP, PK, amazing on the draw, and is a natural leader.

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The numbers say otherwise. Heck, forget the games missed, how many other lines in the league have 67 goals? 3? 4?

Bozak is a #1 centre in this league, and has been for the majority of his career.
Yeah, Bozak has been a #1 centre for most of his career. Sure....


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Even though pavelski is better then Bozak I consider them both 2nd line centers. Pavelski is just on the higher end of the scale but is still a number 2C. Honestly Jay McClement could play between Kessel and JVR right now and it wouldn't slow down 81 and 21.

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Explain? You don't think playing behind Thornton helps a #2C like Pavelski.
Pavleski is a #1 center. Unless by #2, you mean he plays center on the 2nd line of the Sharks, but that is also false. He also doesn't play beside Couture; they're rarely linemates.

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No he's not, nor has he ever been.

You are out of your mind. Bozak is a number one center. Everyone slobbers over Datsyuk and Bozak has comparable numbers over the same number of games this season. I'm not saying Bozak is as good as Datsyuk obviously, but if their production is similar you can't really poop on Bozak. This whole "Bozak isn't a number one" phenomenon is ridiculous. The guy wasn't a high draft pick so he'll never have the cache to be considered a number one center. A guy like Kadri however, regardless of how well he plays will get the benefit of the doubt as our "future number one" because of the sexy number 7 overall tag. If Bozak had first round pedigree not a single person would ever suggest Bozak is not a number one center, especially after the season he's putting together this year when healthy.

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To me there is only 12-15 legit number one centers in the league. Pavelski and Bozak don't make that list. The term 1C is thrown around to much. Lots of teams don't have one.

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