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02-16-2014, 10:32 AM
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Mason Raymond

Mayson Raymond at 50% salary retained.

The team is getting a 20 goal guy at 500k/year.

Would teams like Pittsburg, LA, Chicago, San Jose... Offer their first for a playoff rental? Knowing that he will not necessarily resign with them...???

Btw - not interested in players coming back (leafs don't have cap room). Unless they were previous year picks and still are on the ELC.

Also not interested in quantity, I want to see quality.

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02-16-2014, 10:36 AM
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No team is going to give a 1st for Raymond.

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02-16-2014, 10:39 AM
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I'd be very surprised if you get first for Raymond.

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02-16-2014, 10:43 AM
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We would not waste our last cap retain on Raymond for 500k. Not a chance. Nonis already wasted two on the Bernier trade for some reason, he's not going to again on an already cheap player. That being said, Raymond won't get a 1st, but he may get a 2nd and a decent prospect if we throw in a lesser prospect.

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02-16-2014, 10:49 AM
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I could see Pittsburgh and LA having a lot of interest in him. Not sure what we'd get in return other than picks though. I'd like to try getting Bortuzzo or Forbort as defensive depth.

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02-16-2014, 10:52 AM
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He seems like the logical player to not be on the Leafs next season, but for some reason he could be used in the post season. His playoff stats don't knock your socks off, but the leafs sure could use his speed.

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02-16-2014, 10:53 AM
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I could see Pittsburgh and LA having a lot of interest in him. Not sure what we'd get in return other than picks though. I'd like to try getting Bortuzzo or Forbort as defensive depth.
If the Pens are moving Bortuzzo, it's for Kulemin, not Raymond.

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02-16-2014, 10:56 AM
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He seems like the logical player to not be on the Leafs next season, but for some reason he could be used in the post season. His playoff stats don't knock your socks off, but the leafs sure could use his speed.
We don't need a player like Raymond in the bottom 6 though. We need another defensive forward. If Raymond played consistently on the bottom lines, sure keep him. Though this guy is far too streaky and not good enough to play on our bottom lines. Now if another team needs what he offers for the playoffs, then he's definitely worth something, but to us, we don't really need him. We have players who can do stuff in his place.

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02-16-2014, 12:16 PM
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I don't think the value would be enough to deal Raymond. Depth is worth more than any pick they would get back unless it was a player for player deal I don't see it making any sense.

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He's an incredibly cheap rental player, but I highly doubt he'll get a first. All the top teams don't need Raymond. All the middling teams that would like him won't want to give up that mid 1st.

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02-16-2014, 12:27 PM
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I don't think the value would be enough to deal Raymond. Depth is worth more than any pick they would get back unless it was a player for player deal I don't see it making any sense.
Well we can probably get another player from the deal. I've heard some rumours of Matt Frattin and 2nd for Mason Raymond and probably someone like Korbinian Holzer/Spencer Abbott. We can keep Frattin on the 3rd line until someone is able to take over for him, and then we can trade him too.

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02-16-2014, 12:29 PM
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Are the leafs even able to retain salary this year. They're already retaining money on Scrivens and Frattin. I thought you were only allowed two players a year.

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02-16-2014, 12:33 PM
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Are the leafs even able to retain salary this year. They're already retaining money on Scrivens and Frattin. I thought you were only allowed two players a year.
No you can retain 3, you could only buy out two.

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02-16-2014, 12:38 PM
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No you can retain 3, you could only buy out two.
Ah ok, thanks for clearing that up I wasn't sure if it was 2 or 3.

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02-16-2014, 12:41 PM
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If all is going well before the deadline, it doesn't seem worth it to deal him. Even if he ends up walking, no big deal. Stay the course, he may be of help in the playoffs, never know with injuries.

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02-16-2014, 12:42 PM
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I don't think the value would be enough to deal Raymond. Depth is worth more than any pick they would get back unless it was a player for player deal I don't see it making any sense.
Exactly what I was going to post.

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02-16-2014, 12:46 PM
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We don't need a player like Raymond in the bottom 6 though. We need another defensive forward. If Raymond played consistently on the bottom lines, sure keep him. Though this guy is far too streaky and not good enough to play on our bottom lines. Now if another team needs what he offers for the playoffs, then he's definitely worth something, but to us, we don't really need him. We have players who can do stuff in his place.
Ok. let's get into this. Who's on our bottom 6 that we don't need Raymond?

Orr, McLaren, Bodie, McClement?


Any of these guys have 16 goals and 19 assists?

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02-16-2014, 01:06 PM
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Ok. let's get into this. Who's on our bottom 6 that we don't need Raymond?

Orr, McLaren, Bodie, McClement?


Any of these guys have 16 goals and 19 assists?
We have Bolland, Smith, etc. whom produce offense and they have stuff that Raymond doesn't have. A third line is suppose to be a utility line of which all of the players can offer many different things. Bolland and Clarkson/Kulemin for example. They're suppose to be reliable, and Raymond is pretty inconsistent (Kulemin is different because he's always been consistent defensively, and we can't do anything about Clarkson right now), not to mention doesn't offer much other than offense.

None of them have the offense Raymond has, but they have a lot more in other areas where we are currently lacking. We still have plenty of offense in many different areas. I think we should take the 2nd round pick and maybe a prospect for Raymond and run with it.


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02-16-2014, 01:26 PM
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Also not interested in quantity, I want to see quality.
Quality over Quantity.. I don't think your getting either for Mason Raymond.

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02-16-2014, 02:02 PM
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If the Pens are moving Bortuzzo, it's for Kulemin, not Raymond.
If the Leafs are moving Kulemin to the pens...it wont be for Bortuzzo.

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02-16-2014, 02:12 PM
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If you're looking for a player for a deep playoff run..... Run! The guy is useless in the playoffs.

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Any GM that gives up a first to rent Raymond for the playoffs should be shot.

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Lmao the weekly what can we get for the Invisible man in the playoffs?
Any smart GM likely stays away

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02-16-2014, 02:53 PM
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This is one of those players who's putting up numbers but doesn't have much value. Has never performed in playoffs. He's a possession killer. He falls a lot. He frustrates the fanbase but in proposals he gets valued higher than what he is.

Still got more value than David booth.

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He might fetch a third

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