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02-19-2014, 05:53 PM
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Raymond & Kulemin

Forget for a second this would completely deplete our LW I'm curious would they both together get you a 1st round pick?

Feel like teams such as Pittsburgh would jump on this

Raymond/Crosby/Kunitz
Kulemin/Malkin/Neal

would be nasty!

would any other teams for up a 1st for the two?

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02-19-2014, 05:56 PM
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Kunitz plays on the left side. So unless he can play left wing he isn't a fit. I am not opposed to bringing in these players, but not for a first. Pens offer some D.

And this trade would never go through because Toronto is in the playoffs.

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If the 1st was to be dealt, I seriously hope it would be for a RW and Malkin's line would be left intact. Nothing against depth, but you gotta use your assets wisely and the 1st has to bring back something better.

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Could they get a 1st for that? Hell yes. Would it be from the Pens? Hell no

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Raymond would not be a good fit with Crosby. He is streaky and easy to knock down. How useful is Raymond's speed of he is ahead of the play with Crosby. Crosby needs a pure sniper who is strong on his feet and knows where to be. That's not even close to Raymond's game.

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02-19-2014, 07:28 PM
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Forget for a second this would completely deplete our LW I'm curious would they both together get you a 1st round pick?

Feel like teams such as Pittsburgh would jump on this

Raymond/Crosby/Kunitz
Kulemin/Malkin/Neal

would be nasty!

would any other teams for up a 1st for the two?
are the leafs in a rebuild? with those 2 staying with toronto, we can beat the pens in the playoffs,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, the leafs r for real

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02-19-2014, 07:55 PM
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No interest in moving Kulemin for a pick. Raymond can be had for a third for all I care.

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02-19-2014, 08:12 PM
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Forget for a second this would completely deplete our LW I'm curious would they both together get you a 1st round pick?

Feel like teams such as Pittsburgh would jump on this

Raymond/Crosby/Kunitz
Kulemin/Malkin/Neal

would be nasty!

would any other teams for up a 1st for the two?

I have no desire seeing Pittsburgh trade a first for these two. Both are UFAs after this season. Shero isn't trading a first for rentals for the second consecutive year. I wish Kulemin would just go back to Russia and play so we can stop these zany rumors of him going to Pittsburgh.

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02-19-2014, 08:34 PM
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Neither of these players are available for anything like a draft pick. Maybe a top 4 defenceman with a contract, but that's not going to be offered.

The leafs are not going to cut the legs out from under the team going down the stretch run by killing their depth for no good reason.

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02-19-2014, 08:40 PM
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are the leafs in a rebuild? with those 2 staying with toronto, we can beat the pens in the playoffs,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, the leafs r for real
are we going to keep letting UFAs walk because we feel we are "contenders"? we need to start getting something for these guys that don't make a large difference in our roster. also how do you know we can't find similar product from our AHL guys, we are quite deep with 2nd/3rd line prospects.

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Lol another one. I can hardly see one of them being moved not both at all.

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are we going to keep letting UFAs walk because we feel we are "contenders"? we need to start getting something for these guys that don't make a large difference in our roster. also how do you know we can't find similar product from our AHL guys, we are quite deep with 2nd/3rd line prospects.
We're going to keep players as long as we need them. If we had young guys step up and displace these guys from the lineup, then they might be available, but that wasn't the case. What we need -- is playoff success, and these guys are going to be extremely valuable if we're going to have any.

How do we know we can't find similar from our AHL guys? Because they're garbage prospects for the most part. We've gotten 8 goals from players that aren't in our healthy lineup this year despite over 150 games played. The leafs have a lot of good AHL talent, but these guys are total garbage when it comes to the NHL context.

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As I said in a thread on the leafs board, If the leafs get these prices the players should be on a plane, if not we can keep them for our playoff run:

Kulimen-1st
Raymond-2nd
Franson-1st
Reimer-1st

Mcclement and bolland will be resigned imo

Edit: and franson and Reimer are rfas

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No interest in moving Kulemin for a pick. Raymond can be had for a third for all I care.
This^^^
I pray we can find a way to sign Kulemin

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Toronto is going to lose Kulemin for nothing in free agency and then be mad.

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Toronto is going to lose Kulemin for nothing in free agency and then be mad.
No, if Kulemin leaves, the Leafs gain cap space to sign a player on the roster, or even another player, like Komarov. This notion of losing players for nothing is completely moronic.

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Kunitz plays on the left side. So unless he can play left wing he isn't a fit. I am not opposed to bringing in these players, but not for a first. Pens offer some D.

And this trade would never go through because Toronto is in the playoffs.
We will take Olli Maatta, deal done!

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We will take Olli Maatta, deal done!
Getting Kessel back will be nice.

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Toronto is going to lose Kulemin for nothing in free agency and then be mad.
Not really. Most Leaf fans have come to accept the fact that Kulemin may move on to greener pastures this offseason. If it happens, we'll obviously be disappointed, but he isn't the world's most difficult player to replace if you have some money to spend (which the leafs should have assuming they don't spend it on Kulemin).

Heck, the whole reason he's likely on his way out is because we should be able to get a player to fill Kulemin's role for cheaper than he's going to earn.


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As I said in a thread on the leafs board, If the leafs get these prices the players should be on a plane, if not we can keep them for our playoff run:

Kulimen-1st
Raymond-2nd
Franson-1st
Reimer-1st

Mcclement and bolland will be resigned imo

Edit: and franson and Reimer are rfas
None of those players should be available for picks at the deadline.

The Leafs needs are a top 4 defenceman (with a stay-at-home mindset) and a #2 centre better than Kadri. If one isn't being offered to us, the only roster forwards that may be available in trade are the likes of McLaren, Ashton, etc.

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All of them are available, including Reimer as long as we get a backup in return. None of the depth we have may be what they are, but they all will provide something we need for the playoffs.

D'Amigo, Smith, Holland, etc. are all 3rd line players, even if they don't provide what the guys we provide lost, they provide something we need. That doesn't even include some players who are able to play 3rd line in the Marlies. Bottom 6 forwards are something that are plentiful on the Leafs. If we need a top 6 winger because Clarkson isn't good enough, that's different, but the 3rd LW and RW spots are able to be easily replaced internally, or with a cheap rental like Benoit Pouliot (who can probably be had for an enforcer and a nothing prospect), Taylor Pyatt (who I recognize isn't very good this year, but he's cheap and he's a 3rd line quality winger normally), or Ryan Jones. All of these guys and more can be rentals who are worth next to nothing (except Pouliot) because they aren't being used properly, but are still 3rd line rental wingers.

Franson even has Brennan, Ranger and Holzer to replace him internally. That's assuming we don't acquire a cheap rental or trade an enforcer, etc. However, he's an RFA with Reimer, so he doesn't need to be traded right now.

These guys are all expensive rentals who would bring back a good price, and it's not like they're even hard to replace.


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All of them are available, including Reimer as long as we get a backup in return. None of the depth we have may be what they are, but they all will provide something we need for the playoffs.

D'Amigo, Smith, Holland, etc. are all 3rd line players, even if they don't provide what the guys we provide lost, they provide something we need. That doesn't even include some players who are able to play 3rd line in the Marlies. Bottom 6 forwards are something that are plentiful on the Leafs. If we need a top 6 winger because Clarkson isn't good enough, that's different, but the 3rd LW and RW spots are able to be easily replaced internally, or with a cheap rental like Benoit Pouliot (who can probably be had for an enforcer and a nothing prospect), Taylor Pyatt (who I recognize isn't very good this year, but he's cheap and he's a 3rd line quality winger normally), or Ryan Jones. All of these guys and more can be rentals who are worth next to nothing (except Pouliot) because they aren't being used properly, but are still 3rd line rental wingers.

Franson even has Brennan, Ranger and Holzer to replace him internally. That's assuming we don't acquire a cheap rental or trade an enforcer, etc. However, he's an RFA with Reimer, so he doesn't need to be traded right now.

These guys are all expensive rentals who would bring back a good price, and it's not like they're even hard to replace.
This poster does not represent leaf nation. He is somebody who is stuck in the past, and believes that the Leafs should operate as if they are a loser like the Oilers.

d'Amigo, Smith as 3rd liners? Garbage like Brennan, Ranger and Holzer to replace Franson

The Leafs bottom 6 depth is actually probably amongst the weaker groups in the league (there realistically is only 1 player outside of our healthy top 9 who one could argue should be in the top 9, the rest is just garbage. The problem is we just don't the cap space to add.

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Why would ANYONE trade an asset for Mason Raymond's play during the post season? The guy is completely useless in the playoffs. USELESS.

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Why would ANYONE trade an asset for Mason Raymond's play during the post season? The guy is completely useless in the playoffs. USELESS.
Because GMs have shown the infinite ability to ignore past results and overpay for players at the trade deadline.

That said, I doubt hes moved.

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As a Leafs fan I'm hoping we hang on to Kulemin and find a way to resign him.

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