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02-24-2014, 11:09 AM
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yep, remember the del zotto/stamkos deal....kinda similar haha
I believe that wasn't actually on the table and was a hoax.

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Boomer confirmed it was a 1 for 1.

I'm assuming the conditional pick he mentioned would be if Callahan resigned. Makes total sense.
I don't, you're adding value to the Tampa side if that's the condition. I think it's much more likely the conditional pick is for Tampa if Callahan doesn't resign.

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02-24-2014, 11:12 AM
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I believe that wasn't actually on the table and was a hoax.
i heard the wrong people shook hands on it, haha. so close.

what i meant was, can you imagine the ****storm if twitter was a thing back then/if it got out.

It's similar to this. I just don't get how Boomer can be parading info from his sources like this. Unless this is a intentional misdirection/leak. But then, what for?

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02-24-2014, 11:15 AM
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Yeah, and that's where I think Boomer was overambitious in his report.

I cannot see it being 1-for-1, let alone the Rangers getting a conditional pick along with St. Louis.
Agreed, what Brooks wrote sounds a lot more realistic - young players, prospects, and/or picks in addition to Callahan would be required for this trade to go down.

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Yeah, and that's where I think Boomer was overambitious in his report.

I cannot see it being 1-for-1, let alone the Rangers getting a conditional pick along with St. Louis.
I can. MSL says trade me. He's friends with Richards.

Maybe he doesn't just limit it to the Rangers but he gives a list of a few teams he would go to, the Rangers being on that list.

Probably all are contenders - he is getting closer to retirement.

Funny enough, Tampa is actually also a legit contender this year. Boston and Tampa are really strong out of that division.

So Yzerman can choose between prospects and picks for St. Louis, or trading for another Callahan, 10 years younger, at an attempt for this year.

There is the business aspect that everyone loves to forget. Trading MSL could be detrimental to TB. He's head and shoulders their leader, their franchise face. They stand to lose a lot of revenue if they lose him.

Trading for another captain makes entire sense to me. And I think Sather is such a magician that he could have easily required a conditional pick for Cally resigned, as 1.5 years of St. Louis for 6.5 years of Callahan doesn't seem like equal value to me without the pick.

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02-24-2014, 11:16 AM
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Agreed, what Brooks wrote sounds a lot more realistic - young players, prospects, and/or picks in addition to Callahan would be required for this trade to go down.
It sounds like Brooks said Tampa wouldn't be interested in Callahan much at all.

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i heard the wrong people shook hands on it, haha. so close.

what i meant was, can you imagine the ****storm if twitter was a thing back then/if it got out.

It's similar to this. I just don't get how Boomer can be parading info from his sources like this. Unless this is a intentional misdirection/leak. But then, what for?
So that people had to listen to Carton's garbage all morning waiting for info.

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02-24-2014, 11:17 AM
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Good trade if it happens.

I like it. Sather is committing to something. Winning now.
Thats what hes been committed to since the day he got here 14 years ago.

And he hasnt won a damn thing.

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02-24-2014, 11:18 AM
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The Ducks have shown serious interest in New York Rangers defenseman Dan Girardi, multiple sources have told TFP, and trade talks between the two clubs are expected to pick up steam.
Girardi, 29, is scheduled to become an unrestricted free agent July 1 and contract negotiations between his agents and the Rangers have reportedly hit a stalemate.

According to the New York Post, the Rangers have informed other teams that they are officially willing to trade Girardi, instead of risk losing him for nothing as a free agent this summer.

The Ducks have multiple young assets they appear willing to trade, though it's unclear if Murray has any interest in moving a player like Sami Vatanen, whom the Rangers are believed to have interest in, as part of a deal for Girardi.
http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/ana140224.html

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There's no proof that Sather is dictator, and it's pretty obvious he trusts his staff. Just because he is final approving authority doesnt mean his inflexible.

Chances are, they decided on Callahan and the strategy well before the Olympics, and the consensus was that the current Rangers are too good (or almost too good) to remove Callahan and Girardi without anything but picks and prospects, so they decided an all-in approach to make 1-for-1 swaps to improve the teams chances at competing for a Cup.

Do I agree with it? Nope. This season IMO ended 10 games in. There are too many teams within striking distance to make the Rangers a 10th or 11th seed.

They need assets. They need a guy like Panik or Connolly or Spooner or Andrew Shaw who are cheap, contributors and could be repackaged for an even bigger deal.

MSL for two playoff runs? OK, and then what?

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02-24-2014, 11:19 AM
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i heard the wrong people shook hands on it, haha. so close.

what i meant was, can you imagine the ****storm if twitter was a thing back then/if it got out.

It's similar to this. I just don't get how Boomer can be parading info from his sources like this. Unless this is a intentional misdirection/leak. But then, what for?
Pretty simple.

"Hey Callahan. This is serious. The Rangers will trade you if you dont come off your demands"

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Isn't TFP not very reliable?

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Agreed, what Brooks wrote sounds a lot more realistic - young players, prospects, and/or picks in addition to Callahan would be required for this trade to go down.
Agreed, which would piss me off immensely.

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Isn't TFP not very reliable?
A lot of people don't like it but I've always found Pagnotta to be pretty reliable.

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02-24-2014, 11:21 AM
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A lot of people don't like it but I've always found Pagnotta to be pretty reliable.
Yep. Me too.

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It sounds like Brooks said Tampa wouldn't be interested in Callahan much at all.
I may be mistaken but I'm under the impression Brooks and Boomer have entirely different roles.

Boomer seems to break the trades. Brooks seems to speculate and contextualize.

I'm also under the impression that Brooks' sources are probably not as high up as Boomer's.

In this case... I actually trust Esiason much more than the speculation that Brooks posted immediately after.

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Thats what hes been committed to since the day he got here 14 years ago.

And he hasnt won a damn thing.
Sather makes moves in a vacuum. Some fans choose to look at them that way too.

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While I don't agree with that statement,
He hasn't been a particularly effective player offensively or defensively. Not since before the lockout. We haven't seen the mistake-free game he used to play, the one that made him extremely useful even when he wasn't scoring, in a long while.

If he wasn't a guy who gave the team so much in the past, people would likely be content to cut ties with him. Re-signing him for 4.25 mil would probably not be a popular consideration.


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I don't think it was a mistake.

Signing him for another three years would have upped the AAV significantly, and while ages 29-31 look somewhat safe now, it was very much an unknown at age 25.
You would be talking about an AAV at 5 million at a minimum.

And while almost everyone would re-sign Callahan for 3 years 16$-17$ million, I would be surprised if his on ice contributions matched that salary.

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So that people had to listen to Carton's garbage all morning waiting for info.
No way this was Boomer. He'd sever so many bridges.

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There's no proof that Sather is dictator, and it's pretty obvious he trusts his staff. Just because he is final approving authority doesnt mean his inflexible.

Chances are, they decided on Callahan and the strategy well before the Olympics, and the consensus was that the current Rangers are too good (or almost too good) to remove Callahan and Girardi without anything but picks and prospects, so they decided an all-in approach to make 1-for-1 swaps to improve the teams chances at competing for a Cup.

Do I agree with it? Nope. This season IMO ended 10 games in. There are too many teams within striking distance to make the Rangers a 10th or 11th seed.

They need assets. They need a guy like Panik or Connolly or Spooner or Andrew Shaw who are cheap, contributors and could be repackaged for an even bigger deal.

MSL for two playoff runs? OK, and then what?
This is so ridiculous for a team that's 2nd in their division now. Talk about drama.

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It sounds like Brooks said Tampa wouldn't be interested in Callahan much at all.
Yeah, it only seems like they would be interested if Sather ponied up a package for St. Louis in which Cally would be involved. Nor is Tampa interested in signing Cally long-term at his asking price.

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Agreed, which would piss me off immensely.
You're perpetually pissed off about something.

No matter the outcome there would be a black lining to it.

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I may be mistaken but I'm under the impression Brooks and Boomer have entirely different roles.

Boomer seems to break the trades. Brooks seems to speculate and contextualize.

I'm also under the impression that Brooks' sources are probably not as high up as Boomer's.

In this case... I actually trust Esiason much more than the speculation that Brooks posted immediately after.
Nothing about the wording of Brooks' article makes it seem like he is speculating and/or contextualizing.

"sources have told The Post."

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Nothing about the wording of Brooks' article makes it seem like he is speculating and/or contextualizing.

"sources have told The Post."
And his sources are better than Boomer's?

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