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02-24-2014, 01:24 PM
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I just want to see MSL and MZA jump into Boyle's arms like two little kids.


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who wasnt
I think Brooks was definitely the leader in the Nash talks.

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From what I remember, that's not how it went at all. In fact, the night before the lockout ending, when Boomer said it would, was really the only time in that process he said anything about the lockout ending.

Yeah, yeah. Broken clock, blind squirrel, etc... etc...

I think it's unwise to deny that Boomer has a source high up in the Rangers organization.
Yeah, you're right. I thought they reached the agreement on January 13th, but that was when it was ratified. He said it January 5th, they reached the deal on the 6th.

I don't think anyone is denying he has a high-up source.

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02-24-2014, 01:26 PM
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I just want to see MLS and MZA jump into Boyle's arms like two little kids.
I want to see them both stare down guys like Chara and Hedman


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hahaha and who would that be. Boomer is boomer. who worships anybody? What are we children or subservient?
Well yesterday somebody called me a clown for being a little skeptical of him and then went on for awhile about how Boomer is "a man of the people" and reminded me that he "puts Ovie's jersey in the freezer in the playoffs" and how I should watch his show more. It was weird.

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The point is how can you take what he says over what Boomer says in this situation?

Boomer gives names. Those trades happen.

Brooks has never done that.
I'm going to stand by Boomer and his integrity. I cannot believe that he is doing this for ratings sake. No way, no how. His love for our Rangers are similar to ours. Trades DO fall apart. What he's tweeting are things he FEELS and probably KNOWS almost 90% will happen.

Does this trade make sense? All I'm understanding is that MSL just really wants out, and really wants to play close to his family. PERFECT FIT. Who knows what Yzerman is thinking. Maybe he's got something else in the works to cover MSL's departure.

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I dont know I should put this out there LOL, but somebody sent me all these pics of MSL in his underwear.

The guy is a friggin'sculpted mini-tank; and last I saw him skate he can definitely still scamper. Not like he once did, which was ridiculous, but he can move.
Whoa, cool your jets.

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Id bet he plays to 41-42 pretty easy.

Here's one more potential benefit I havent seen;

what if MSL teaches Zuc even 2-3 small man tricks? How much better does that makes Zuccarello? and what kind of player are we talking about then?

That's why, lots of ground to cover on this one.
I don't understand. Isn't Zuccarello more useful as a winger than a circus midget?

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02-24-2014, 01:28 PM
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I just want to see MLS and MZA jump into Boyle's arms like two little kids.
Ha.... and Hags hanging around his neck;

hey, maybe this is the year we skate circles around the Big Goon Bruins and send them home confused & embarrassed losers shaking their heads. Wouldnt that be sweet?

Finally, the little man's revenge. Hey, ya never know...

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Disagree and I'll tell you why. Teams who are trying to remain competitive at all times are always buyers and are always sellers. In those situations, you make the best trade based on a variety of factors, particularly the effect on the current team in the standings and the potential benefit to the organization in the future.

If one deal offered gives you a 38-year old PPG player and another gives you Jaskin and a 2nd round pick, which is really the better deal? Do the wins gained this year outweigh the potential for years forward? Chances are maybe 50/50 that Jaskin ends up a top-6 forward, although I'm pretty certain he's going to be a regular NHLer. Chances are far less than that with your 2nd round pick. Which is really the bigger gamble? Which is really poor planning?

There's definitely logic to saying that trading for prospects and picks is a huge gamble. And there is definitely merit to say that it's poor planning to only consider deals for prospects or young NHLers. To me, when your organization's goal is to stay competitive, you have to weigh all the risks and benefits of every potential deal, not just the ones that fit within a rigid philosophy.
Right, but my issue with planning lies within the idea of trying to remain competitive at all times. If you make a trade based on the idea of "This will keep us competitive" and bring in a guy who is hitting the end of his career, then you're really just delaying an inevitable move that will have to solidify a roster spot with someone younger. It seems to me like this team is very selective about how it makes moves, and they're dictated based upon the success the team is having in the current season, not the success they might have in the future.

My preference was always to add a roster player and a future piece, not simply gamble on futures. I realize it's entirely possible that kind of deal isn't on the table, but I think acquiring an aging star fits more into the rigid organizational philosophy than anything else. Trading for youth and future benefit would be the outside-the-box move for this team. Bringing in a guy who plays the same position as our two best forwards, both at even strength and on the powerplay, seems like a typical Sather move.

My opinion is that sometimes the best value in trade isn't the right deal for the team as a whole. While MSL is by far and away the best player out of what has been rumored to be in play via trade, it doesn't mean that he's the best fit for the team.

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The difference between Brooks and Boomer is, its brook's primary job to discuss all things rangers. So he basically spouts out every rumor he hears. Boomer just discusses what his source is super sure on. But even a super sure trade can fall through especially in a situation like yesterday occurs where they can finalize anything until midnight. Boomer basically broke the trade with 12 hours to go, fan backlash could have given Yzerman second thoughts.

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The problem with boomer here is he portrayed this as a done deal. Waiting for the freeze to lift. Now today this is weeks old and its how he feels it will unfold.

I'm not saying its a straight up ratings grab but he was pretty misleading.

Most rational people here, ranger biased fans, and every other other hockey fan thinks the deal is terrible value for TB. Yzerman says its bad value. Unless we add significantly, I doubt this happens.

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I have a bad feeling about what happens in the next 2 weeks. We have a lot of guys that are going into FA and we have a lot of drama swirling around us. Let's just hope for the best and see if we can't continue the playaff poosh like we were doing before the stupid break.

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I'll admit to not knowing a lot about Boomer, but I think him claiming he called the lockout's end a week before it happened is hilarious. Doesn't that mean he was early/wrong on that? I mean, I had it months before it happened!

Though he was first on this St. Louis scoop. I think he was quite over-exurberant on it, though.
If Boomer calls the lockout ending a week before, he's was wrong or off, yet we both know if this trade were to hypothetically happen a week after he called it, everyone would point to Boomer as the guy who broke it even though it was a week later.

If someone told me they heard the lockout would be over soon and a week later it ended without much buzz the prior week, I'd definitely say they had it. Three or four weeks, I'd say probably not.

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If Boomer calls the lockout ending a week before, he's was wrong or off, yet we both know if this trade were to hypothetically happen a week after he called it, everyone would point to Boomer as the guy who broke it even though it was a week later.

If someone told me they heard the lockout would be over soon and a week later it ended without much buzz the prior week, I'd definitely say they had it. Three or four weeks, I'd say probably not.
I see the difference being the chances of the the lockout ending were 1-1 and the chances of St. Louis getting traded significantly less than that. If he called the lockout 8 days of hard negotiations before it ended, I have a tough time crediting him for that.

But as silverfish pointed out, I was wrong about the timeline.

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By the way for what it is worth I think his source is Brad Richards.

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By the way for what it is worth I think his source is Brad Richards.
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I am surprised that no other deals have gone through by now. Very quiet considering they are about a week from the deadline and teams were supposedly waiting until after the Olympic Break? Oddly silent.

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Hi guys. I had posted this in another thread yesterday, but in case some newer people missed it. I have a coworker who is is very friendly with MSL. He mentioned that the deal was almost done.....initially i didn't respond to it, nor bring it up here. But, when i heard Boomer mention it, i figured there definitely was traction to it. I dont think this is just a rumor.

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Hi guys. I had posted this in another thread yesterday, but in case some newer people missed it. I have a coworker who is is very friendly with MSL. He mentioned that the deal was almost done.....initially i didn't respond to it, nor bring it up here. But, when i heard Boomer mention it, i figured there definitely was traction to it. I dont think this is just a rumor.
What exactly is the extent of their relationship? Don't leave out a single detail.

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Heard Anaheim would give up multiple pieces for Girardi

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What exactly is the extent of their relationship? Don't leave out a single detail.
From what I've heard, he is really good buddies with him. Skates with him in the offseason and golfs with him etc.....We were watching the US vs. Canada game and I heard him mention the trade. I dismissed it, because its an odd trade quite frankly. Once Boomer started tweeting, i thought that something was up.

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What exactly is the extent of their relationship? Don't leave out a single detail.
Some dessert on the side?

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From what I've heard, he is really good buddies with him. Skates with him in the offseason and golfs with him etc.....We were watching the US vs. Canada game and I heard him mention the trade. I dismissed it, because its an odd trade quite frankly. Once Boomer started tweeting, i thought that something was up.
Is St. Louis a good golfer? Better than your friend?

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I agree. I'm talking strictly limited to breaking trades. Boomer's sources should supersede Brooks' in terms of legitimacy.
People are really going around in circles here...

Boomers source is a background source, or entirely OFF THE RECORD.

Brooks is the exact opposite (this isn't to say he doesn't hear info "off the record" at times... I'm positive he does). Brooks has official sources.

There's a big difference there. I'm sure Brooks has asked his sources... they've said "No" that doesn't mean it's not going to happen, it just means the word at this point is no.

Brooks talks to his sources and if they answer his question it's on the record. That's not what happens with Boomer.

It's the difference between journalism and a guy who knows a guy. One source maybe higher than the other, they may even be the same person, but the nature of the sources is completely different because of the nature of the person talking to them.


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Heard Anaheim would give up multiple pieces for Girardi
If they are multiple good pieces, we'll listen. If it's Sbisa and a late 1st, they can look somewhere else.

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Is St. Louis a good golfer? Better than your friend?
He's honed his game a lot lately.

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