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02-25-2014, 10:08 AM
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This is a joke right? No Ryan Johansen for Ovechkin? Serious?
FRANCHISE'S.
ENTIRE.
EXISTENCE.

Parse that phrase. Comprehend it. Understand it. Know it. Realize it. Then you can be snarky.

We've had Nash. We've had Voracek. We've had and currently have Gaborik. We have never had anything resembling a legit #1C other than Johansen. The obvious conclusion that anyone could reach is that it is far easier to get a top-quality scoring winger than it is to get someone who can be a #1C.

If it helps you comprehend - if Gaborik was our "MVP", I'd gleefully swap him.

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That really depends on who you consider to be our MVP. It's probably Lundqvist or McDonagh, and the Rangers say no to either. But if you were assuming our MVP to be Nash, then I'd agree.
I was assuming it was McDonagh this year and while I think it's close I would move him for Ovie.

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02-25-2014, 10:10 AM
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02-25-2014, 10:11 AM
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If its Mackinnon for the Avs.... its a No AINEC. If Its Duchene, its still a no. If its Landeskog, its again a no.


In fact, given how well the Avs core players have all played this year, I dunno if I would move any of them for Ovi at this point.
Duchene is you MVP so far this year and considering how deep you are at center I cant see why you wouldn't make that move but it is just my feeling!

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Then it's a consensus. No one's trading for OV.

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This is a joke right? No Ryan Johansen for Ovechkin? Serious?
Agree with this point LOL.

Ryan Johansen is proving that he is maybe a 1st line player.

Ovechkin is top 5 (arguably)

Not arguably top 10 player in the world.

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Hall's becoming HF's most overrated player, jeez
Uh what Hall is vastly underrated on this website...

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I'd easily trade Henrik Sedin for Ovechkin, **** positional needs.

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Also Detroit Red Wings would likely agree to trade Datsyuk or Zetterberg for Ovechkin "THEORETICALLY" based on skill and age.

But I don't think we ever want to trade those 2.

They retire red wings. Also Both our players are better drivers for victory over ovechkin.

The trouble with this thread is. EVERYONE would like a superstar. But trading 1 superstar for another almost NEVER happens.

Any examples???? (Heatley Hossa is only one i can think of) (Lindross/Forsberg, but that was based on "potential")

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02-25-2014, 10:21 AM
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Agree with this point LOL.

Ryan Johansen is proving that he is maybe a 1st line player.

Ovechkin is top 5 (arguably)

Not arguably top 10 player in the world.
How do we replace Ovechkin if we lose him? Tremendously difficult, but we can do it, or at least get close enough that in the end we get a similar effect. We've done it before.

How do we replace Johansen if we lose him? We can't. We haven't been able to in fifteen years of trying.

I am explicitly Not repeat NOT claiming that Johansen is a better player than Ovechkin. That's completely absurd and indefensible. But Ovechkin isn't a #1C. He is indisputably the greatest wing in hockey today... but still a wing. Not a center. What we need and have always needed is a center.

We could give up nearly any other player on our roster and/or in our organization for Ovechkin, and probably would. But not Johansen. (And Bobrovsky would also be a bad idea, but I already explained why there, and nobody's questioning that - presumably because it doesn't fit the preconceived narrative of "lol somebody overrating a prospect again")

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02-25-2014, 10:32 AM
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FRANCHISE'S.
ENTIRE.
EXISTENCE.

Parse that phrase. Comprehend it. Understand it. Know it. Realize it. Then you can be snarky.

We've had Nash. We've had Voracek. We've had and currently have Gaborik. We have never had anything resembling a legit #1C other than Johansen. The obvious conclusion that anyone could reach is that it is far easier to get a top-quality scoring winger than it is to get someone who can be a #1C.

If it helps you comprehend - if Gaborik was our "MVP", I'd gleefully swap him.

This is awesome. I can't even argue with you, your right it is harder to replace Johansen than it is to get one of the top 5 goal scorers in the history of the game.


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02-25-2014, 10:36 AM
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Ryan McDonagh for the Rangers. Great young player on a super contract. It's a no from the Rangers.

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Duchene is you MVP so far this year and considering how deep you are at center I cant see why you wouldn't make that move but it is just my feeling!
On NHL 14, I consider doing Duchene for Ovy. In real life, no way. Duchene grew up an Avs fan, is a fan favorite, our best C since Sakic (Mack will change that soon enough though), and is just an Av through and through. Plus, Duchene fits into our cap and age range better.

You could also say Varly is our MVP in which case I don't do the trade because he's been the best goalie since Roy for us and we're already fairly stacked up front for the future. Value wise, Ovy>Varly but the trade just wouldn't make sense for the team.

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02-25-2014, 10:38 AM
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I'd drive Rick Nash to the airport.

If it's Lundqvist, no freakin way.
It's McD. How do you feel about that?

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.... Ovi hate is strong on here.. Funny as this time last year they would give the world for him.. Ovi is a top 5 player in the game..

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I would trade Weber for Ovechkin.

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Duchene is you MVP so far this year and considering how deep you are at center I cant see why you wouldn't make that move but it is just my feeling!
Pre cap era, you'd probably be right. Now, I don't think so. I doubt Ovie is $3.5m/yr better than duchene over the next 5 years. Ovie's cap hit is my main problem with him. If his play declines at all that contract could be a real killer.

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doughty I would say no myself he is not close to his ceiling yet and already in top 10 defenders in game. Brown who think is your mvp? Yeah I trade him for ovie.

Boston would be rask so that is def no.
No I meant Doughty. I think he is top 5, maybe top 3 defenseman in the league. I would still do if they weren't such a great TEAM but they don't have the need.

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This is awesome. I can't even argue with you, your right it is harder to replace Johansen than it is to get one of the top 5 goal scorers in the history of the game.
Wrong. The correct summary is "it is harder to get a top-quality #1 center than it is to get a top-quality #1 goal-scoring winger." (Yes, Ovechkin is the highest possible quality. That's not the point.)

We've done the latter. We have never before gotten close to the former. If we had anybody at all on the roster other than Johansen who could probably be a legit #1C, this wouldn't be a discussion.

Both are scarce resources, but we've been able to get the poor man's version of one of them several times before.


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Wrong. The correct summary is "it is harder to get a top-quality #1 center than it is to get a top-quality #1 goal-scoring winger." (Yes, Ovechkin is the highest possible quality. That's not the point.)

We've done the latter. We have never before gotten close to the former. If we had anybody at all on the roster other than Johansen who could probably be a legit #1C, this wouldn't be a discussion.

Both are scarce resources, but we've been able to get the poor man's version of one of them several times before.
No offense, but Johansen over Ovechkin, regardless of your team's current situation, is just ridiculous.

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No offense, but Johansen over Ovechkin, regardless of your team's current situation, is just ridiculous.
Believe what you like. We've tried "build around a winger". We're not doing it again, no matter how many MOD: people insist "he's top-5 so you suck and are stupid lol".


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Ovie for ben scrivens? oh hell yeah for sure

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Speak for yourself for the Leafs. While i'm an Ovy fan and he probably is a bit better than Kessel, I wouldn't do it. JVR-Bozak-Kessel have unreal chemistry. Kessel makes that line go, if you put Ovy in his place than we have Bozak looking out of place on the top line. I honestly wouldn't do it. I don't feel as homerish saying seeing how some people are saying no to trading Ryan Johansen for Ovechkin

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Speak for yourself for the Leafs. While i'm an Ovy fan and he probably is a bit better than Kessel, I wouldn't do it. JVR-Bozak-Kessel have unreal chemistry. Kessel makes that line go, if you put Ovy in his place than we have Bozak looking out of place on the top line. I honestly wouldn't do it. I don't feel as homerish saying seeing how some people are saying no to trading Ryan Johansen for Ovechkin
I've had many decent apples, but never before had an orange. Now I finally have one, and it's a good one. And it's about time because I've been suffering from scurvy for a while now, and lemme tell you, scurvy really sucks.

And now folks come along saying "but this apple that is probably the best apple ever created! HOW CAN YOU POSSIBLY NOT WANT TO TRADE THIS APPLE FOR YOUR ORANGE?!?!?!?!!!!111111one"

I'd love to have that apple - it looks amazing, and I can definitely appreciate a really good apple - but, y'see, I'm in poor health here due to lack of oranges and you're asking for the only orange I've ever been able to get in fifteen years. Give me a break, here, okay?


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