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02-28-2014, 03:09 PM
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We need more players like Neil not less. Our forward core is pretty soft and lacks grit. It seems like some posters don't see that, but they are the same ones that think acquiring Hemsky will actually help us.
Yeah, it's weird. Why do teams value skilled forwards anyway?

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02-28-2014, 03:16 PM
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The top 6 could use more grit but skill wins games

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Please for that love of all that is good and pure in this world accept the trade offer from Boston for Phillips Murray. Please, I beg you.

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02-28-2014, 03:28 PM
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You do realize that if Boston gives us a pick then we're stuck with MEthot being our only defender over the age of 25

There are reasons to hold on to Phillips

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You do realize that if Boston gives us a pick then we're stuck with MEthot being our only defender over the age of 25

There are reasons to hold on to Phillips
Winning > having veterans

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Yeah, it's weird. Why do teams value skilled forwards anyway?
Hemsky is soft, injury prone, lacks intensity and is inconsistent. Certainly we need skilled forwards, but not ones that have all those other characteristics.

More skill won't help tis team much unless you are talking about acquiring a premier talent such as a member of Team Canada, then it is a different story.

This teams issue isn't offence, we actually have one of there better offences in the league. Where we are weak is that we aren't strong defensively, we are inconsistent, we lack intensity, we lack grit and we lack compete level. If this team could simply play a hard 60 minutes game in game out then we would be in a playoff spot.

A player like Hemsky simply adds to that issue. We need to alter the identity of our team. We need to bring in some more competitive players that play hard for 60 minutes. We need players that play with emotion, we need players that have a greater desire to win. We need grittier players that make us harder to play against.

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Please for that love of all that is good and pure in this world accept the trade offer from Boston for Phillips Murray. Please, I beg you.
This. Dear god this.

Phillips is no longer an NHL defenseman on this team. Boston could make him into a solid bottom pairing guy, but he's useless to us. Borowiecki and Claesson can do his job for 2M less per season, and I don't want him leading our young defenseman, considering how much he has regressed as a player.

Getting a 2nd + prospect for Phillips would be amazing. Murray better not miss the boat on this one.

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You do realize that if Boston gives us a pick then we're stuck with MEthot being our only defender over the age of 25

There are reasons to hold on to Phillips
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Hemsky is soft, injury prone, lacks intensity and is inconsistent. Certainly we need skilled forwards, but not ones that have all those other characteristics.

More skill won't help tis team much unless you are talking about acquiring a premier talent such as a member of Team Canada, then it is a different story.

This teams issue isn't offence, we actually have one of there better offences in the league. Where we are weak is that we aren't strong defensively, we are inconsistent, we lack intensity, we lack grit and we lack compete level. If this team could simply play a hard 60 minutes game in game out then we would be in a playoff spot.

A player like Hemsky simply adds to that issue. We need to alter the identity of our team. We need to bring in some more competitive players that play hard for 60 minutes. We need players that play with emotion, we need players that have a greater desire to win. We need grittier players that make us harder to play against.
This pretty much. Part of our problem is that our captain certainly doesnt lead by example.

On a whole it seems leadership pretty much non existent in this team.

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02-28-2014, 03:35 PM
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You do realize that if Boston gives us a pick then we're stuck with MEthot being our only defender over the age of 25

There are reasons to hold on to Phillips
Thanks for POINTING that out

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This. Dear god this.

Phillips is no longer an NHL defenseman on this team. Boston could make him into a solid bottom pairing guy, but he's useless to us. Borowiecki and Claesson can do his job for 2M less per season, and I don't want him leading our young defenseman, considering how much he has regressed as a player.

Getting a 2nd + prospect for Phillips would be amazing. Murray better not miss the boat on this one.
This is a reported negotiation not an offer.

If Murray doesn't trade Phillips to Boston I can see people blaming him for not taking the offer that was never for sure to begi9n with

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02-28-2014, 03:39 PM
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The top 6 could use more grit but skill wins games
Our skill is decent but almost all of our skilled players lack consistency.

We have more than enough offence up front with Ryan, MacArthur, Turris, Spezza, Michalek, Zibanejad and Conacher. And that isn;t even considering adding guys like Hoffman, Stone, Da Costa and Pageau.

We could certainly use an upgrade in our top six as players like Michalek and Coancher aren't producing but that isn;t the only area that we need improvement. We need more players that have high intensity and compete levels, we need gritty forwards that are hard to play against.

Look at the Bruins, when they are down a few goals, they ramp up the physicality and intensity and quickly get the game either tied or back in their favour. When they play that way, we can't compete with them, we aren't gritty enough.

If we can bring in a few players that play with more intensity, then that may help ignite the rest of our team. Playing style has the ability to rub off on players. Bringing in guys like Callahan and Ott would likely lead to us playing with more intensity and fire and to us competing harder and more consistently.

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02-28-2014, 03:40 PM
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Winning > having veterans
Yup.

On a related topic, name a team that did anything in the NHL with a D corp with only 1 guy over 25 on it. None come to mind for me, but I may be missing something.

I think the point is you can't win that way. If Phillips goes out we really have to add a veteran D before next season starts.

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02-28-2014, 03:43 PM
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What can we do with Ryan Spooner?

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As I see it, there are 3 main struggles with this team.

Dedication upfront and poor defense.

Acquiring Ehrhoff is doable and would be unbelievable to our team.

Now on forward, I know it's been beaten to death, but it's time to move Michalek and Spezza. This team won't move forward with those guys.

Move Cowen for O'Reilly, move Spezza for Shattenkirk or something.

Start the movement.

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Then you got Lazar coming up as well as Prince/Puempel and you got free agency to shore up the winger positions.
Cowen doesnt get us oreilly, Spezza doesnt get us shattenkirk, and i think prince will be traded.

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02-28-2014, 03:44 PM
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What can we do with Ryan Spooner?
i brought this up a month or two ago. Phillips for spooner. I really liked the few spooner games i saw, and murray loves getting the ottawa guys

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02-28-2014, 03:45 PM
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This is a reported negotiation not an offer.

If Murray doesn't trade Phillips to Boston I can see people blaming him for not taking the offer that was never for sure to begi9n with
Haha yea and i feel if we dont move him, everytime a boston prospect does something positive we are going to hear " WHY DIDNT OTTAWA JUST TAKE THAT GUY FOR PHILLIPS!!"

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This pretty much. Part of our problem is that our captain certainly doesnt lead by example.

On a whole it seems leadership pretty much non existent in this team.
Spezza probably isn;t the right guy to be captain. He is a very talented player but he has zero intensity in his game. He also lacks some credibility. If he starts barking at players for failed defensive assignments, for not playing hard enough, for turning the puck over, for not playing physical enough, for not battling hard enough for loose pucks and position, for not skating hard, they will just look at him and wonder who the **** is he to criticize anyone for any of those things. If Spezza tries to chew out his team, he can only really criticize them for not being talented enough, or creative enough offensively.

In terms of his ability to lead by example, he just doesn't have it. The last two games were a glaring example of that. We got lit up by both the Wings and the Bruins, two divisional rivals and Spezza showed zero emotion in his play. Sure we can argue that these games are before and after the olympic break, but Spezza should care more. If the team needs to play harder, then it needs to start with him.

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What can we do with Ryan Spooner?
More insurance for the oncoming post-Spezza era.

Turris, Zibanajad, Spooner, Smith. Could do worse.

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Spezza probably isn;t the right guy to be captain. He is a very talented player but he has zero intensity in his game. He also lacks some credibility. If he starts barking at players for failed defensive assignments, for not playing hard enough, for turning the puck over, for not playing physical enough, for not battling hard enough for loose pucks and position, for not skating hard, they will just look at him and wonder who the **** is he to criticize anyone for any of those things. If Spezza tries to chew out his team, he can only really criticize them for not being talented enough, or creative enough offensively.

In terms of his ability to lead by example, he just doesn't have it. The last two games were a glaring example of that. We got lit up by both the Wings and the Bruins, two divisional rivals and Spezza showed zero emotion in his play. Sure we can argue that these games are before and after the olympic break, but Spezza should care more. If the team needs to play harder, then it needs to start with him.
if you dont think spezza is a good captain fine. But dont pick out two games where no one on the team showed up. And honestly last night he was one of our best players. Spezza cares. if our players need some guy with the third letter of the alphabet sown on their jersey to "try hard" so they can follow the lead and try hard themselves, then theyre the problem, not spezza.

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Haha yea and i feel if we dont move him, everytime a boston prospect does something positive we are going to hear " WHY DIDNT OTTAWA JUST TAKE THAT GUY FOR PHILLIPS!!"
I think that's the case with absolutely everyone that we deem to be somewhat trade bait for Ottawa. We just sit back and say "you know that Matt Dagostini really could have won us the cup"

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Chris neil wears a letter, he tries harder than anyone else on the ice (regardless of pure hockey skill) why doesnt the rest of the team do the same and match chris neils intensity?

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if you dont think spezza is a good captain fine. But dont pick out two games where no one on the team showed up. And honestly last night he was one of our best players. Spezza cares. if our players need some guy with the third letter of the alphabet sown on their jersey to "try hard" so they can follow the lead and try hard themselves, then theyre the problem, not spezza.
I was just giving an example of the type of games where elite captains would be showing a ton of emotion. But Spezza hasn't really shown much intensity all season, it just isn't in his nature. He is "giggles" a highly skilled player that doesn;t have much grit or compete level in his game. He is what he is. And IMO and most others, not the right fit to captain our team.

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If the team is going to make moves, it needs to add more speed. The Senators aren't an overly fast team, and they need more mobility and quickness upfront and on the blueline. The best teams in the NHL play a full 200-foot game, where they forecheck and backcheck hard.

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If the team is going to make moves, it needs to add more speed. The Senators aren't an overly fast team, and they need more mobility and quickness upfront and on the blueline. The best teams in the NHL play a full 200-foot game, where they forecheck and backcheck hard.
So no for Jagr?

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