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03-04-2014, 12:18 PM
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The fact that a NMC is even being discussed bothers me. That means they are close on the terms.

Signing him to a 6/36 deal IS A NMC. You wont need it in writing. Why does Rangers management fail to see this??????

It won't be once you see the Kesler trade. There will always be a team in need of a player like him.

Now Kesler is signed to an awesome contract, but with the cap going up, it will be the same for Cally in 2-3 years time.

Fans have to smart enough to view contracts as security for players. The Rangers never finished out the Redden, Gomez, Holik, Drury, Rosival deals in it's entire length. Those were bad contracts.

Cally isn't going to live up to a $6M deal, I totally agree with that. But trading him as a rental is trading him for a mysterious opportunity cost. That's an EDM Buffalo special right there.

Rangers can grab that opportunity cost by buying out Richards. It's not like that option doesn't exist.

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03-04-2014, 12:19 PM
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Well, it could just be the callahan camp asking for one and Sather saying no.

It really seems like both parties want to move on but are throwing enough info out there so they could both claim that they tried.
Yeah thats Hattrick's theory. I hope you and him are right.

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Yeah thats Hattrick's theory. I hope you and him are right.
As do I.

Intangibles or not, you don't sign a 40 point, oft-injured grinder to 6 million + per year for 6 years. It's IDIOTIC. Sather has to know this.

"ooh but he's our Captain" Yeah, so was Chris Drury. You name a new one, it's that simple.

maybe we trade him for Prust. aaaaahaha

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03-04-2014, 12:22 PM
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How would you feel if Sather doesnt do anything with Callahan and lets it ride until the summer?

Something I feel more and more likely to happen
Well that would just be another perfect example of Sather's stupidity.

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03-04-2014, 12:23 PM
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You just said you would laugh in his face and ship him out in a heartbeat. Yeah, the gratitude is oozing through your words.

Not sure how the NMC puts you "over the top." Other than demotion to the minors, NMCs are practically meaningless. How often do NMCs prevent roster moves? Guys with NMCs end up waving them when they realize their team desperately wants to get rid of them. Besides, why wouldn't Callahan ask for one, and how is it bad? He wants to be compensated with the salary that he earned, and he wants to be here. He wants to be a member of the New York Rangers. He's already almost certainly going to take less money than he would get on the open market if they agree to a deal.

People put WAY too much stock into NMCs.
I would laugh in his face. I'd thank him for his time with the organization, and I'd pick up the phone and dial Yzerman, assuming Glen Sather knows how to work a phone without a rotating dial.

The NMC puts me over the top because it handcuffs the Rangers ON TOP of the monetary value of the deal. It gives them no leverage if Callahan doesn't want to waive his NM. Sure, people waive them in certain cases, but it's not a guarantee. It's ANOTHER handcuff on top of a deal that is in itself a handcuff. Handcuffception.

Just because Callahan can probably garner $6.5-$7m on the open market, and he's asking for $6.3m from the Rangers, doesn't mean I should bend down and kiss his feet for it. It's still an overpayment, in my opinion, for a player of Callahan's caliber. I can't say enough how awesome it was to watch him fearlessly dive in front of Chara slap shots, but that doesn't mean I have to pick out any minuscule positive from this negotiation, and say what a great thing Callahan is doing for the team, because that's not how I see it. That 'C' on his chest doesn't really mean that much to me. I care a lot more about the team name running diagonally.

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03-04-2014, 12:23 PM
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As do I.

Intangibles or not, you don't sign a 40 point, oft-injured grinder to 6 million + per year for 6 years. It's IDIOTIC. Sather has to know this.
You think he would. But this is same guy thats made terrible signing decisions in the past so with that in mind, one never knows.

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03-04-2014, 12:24 PM
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People put WAY too much stock into NMCs.
that's true. a 'no movement' clause in practice usually becomes a 'trade kicker'. a bonus to buy it out. but, still, i'd rather the rangers didn't give that to him. it does limit flexibility for management. and, while i have no problem with the rangers giving callahan a big deal, i'd like them to leave themselves an out, in case he does break down considerably. just seems the wise thing to do.

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Who cares about what he did under Torts?

And no offense, but I'm sure Callahan hasn't sold 6.3 million worth of jerseys. Look, we get it, you love the guy, and so do many of us, but i'm not going to support a bad move by this franchise because of how hard someone played for us and how good a Ranger he HAS been.

It's about what he'll do in the future and this year has shown he's already trending downward and is not as vital a part of this team as under Torts.

It's about the name on the front, not the back.




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P.S. 12 Noon passed 15 minutes ago. Stop negotiating, start working the lines. Let him go.
Whats become abundantly clear is that theres plenty of people willing to make massive organizational mistakes as long as the player involved is new and exciting.

But the current captain and a Ranger for 7 years? Nah, thats old news. **** him.

Its sad, really.

And no, Im not saying Callahan should be re-signed to those terms. But when you take into account the venom being spewed towards him in order to justify letting him go, combined with the love-fest when it comes to coughing up assets for players whose best days are behind them ELSEWHERE, it exposes a nasty disease with most of this fanbase.

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That 'C' on his chest doesn't really mean that much to me. I care a lot more about the team name running diagonally.
Only 7 letters we should care about on the sweater, none of them a C.

Should always be the mindset.

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Intangibles or not, you don't sign a 40 point, oft-injured grinder to 6 million + per year for 6 years. It's IDIOTIC. Sather has to know this.
Agreed 101%

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Whats become abundantly clear is that theres plenty of people willing to make massive organizational mistakes as long as the player involved is new and exciting.

But the current captain and a Ranger for 7 years? Nah, thats old news. **** him.

Its sad, really.

And no, Im not saying Callahan should be re-signed to those terms. But when you take into account the venom being spewed towards him in order to justify letting him go, combined with the love-fest when it comes to coughing up assets for players whose best days are behind them ELSEWHERE, it exposes a nasty disease with most of this fanbase.
I don't want Cally, MSL, Spezza or Kesler. For free, sure, but not for the prices they would cost, whether monetarily or in a trade.

It is a shame, but just because people advocate for trading the farm for Kesler (which I agree, would be worse then just paying Cally), does not mean we should push for even FURTHER mistakes.

All of the aforementioned are mistakes for this club. We're not contenders, as was made clear from the beatings we took this weekend.

We are best off holding onto what we've got, for the right price and adding young players where we can, or, if we're going to overpay, do it for a young, potential star.

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I don't listen to them at all, but the movie Children of Men highlighted a song by them that's awesome:

In the Court of the Crimson King.

Only song by them that i've heard. Not a huge classic rock fan, predominantly like just the classics, but that song has always stuck with me.

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I would laugh in his face. I'd thank him for his time with the organization, and I'd pick up the phone and dial Yzerman, assuming Glen Sather knows how to work a phone without a rotating dial.

The NMC puts me over the top because it handcuffs the Rangers ON TOP of the monetary value of the deal. It gives them no leverage if Callahan doesn't want to waive his NM. Sure, people waive them in certain cases, but it's not a guarantee. It's ANOTHER handcuff on top of a deal that is in itself a handcuff. Handcuffception.

Just because Callahan can probably garner $6.5-$7m on the open market, and he's asking for $6.3m from the Rangers, doesn't mean I should bend down and kiss his feet for it. It's still an overpayment, in my opinion, for a player of Callahan's caliber. I can't say enough how awesome it was to watch him fearlessly dive in front of Chara slap shots, but that doesn't mean I have to pick out any minuscule positive from this negotiation, and say what a great thing Callahan is doing for the team, because that's not how I see it. That 'C' on his chest doesn't really mean that much to me. I care a lot more about the team name running diagonally.
Silver, stop. You OWE Callahan your gratitude and your posts do not show any. Don't you know that it's gratitude that they play for and not the massive paychecks that they get because we buy tickets, buy merchandise and watch every night on TV. Callahan has sacrificed himself for this team. He could be doing his dream job, helping people file their taxes in Rochester, but he sacrificed that to keep you entertained and you're not showing him enough gratitude.

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03-04-2014, 12:28 PM
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I don't want Cally, MSL, Spezza or Kesler. For free, sure, but not for the prices they would cost, whether monetarily or in a trade.

It is a shame, but just because people advocate for trading the farm for Kesler (which I agree, would be worse then just paying Cally), does not mean we should push for even FURTHER mistakes.

All of the aforementioned are mistakes for this club. We're not contenders, as was made clear from the beatings we took this weekend.

We are best off holding onto what we've got, for the right price and adding young players where we can, or, if we're going to overpay, do it for a young, potential star.
Im in agreement, and my post wasnt necessarily directed at you.

Moreso towards the dozens and dozens of posters who have showed their true stripes and hypocrisy by blasting Callahan and then endorsing stupid trades that further hurt the franchise.

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I do think it's silly to blame Callahan though. People who have never turned down $10 million are quick to point out how easy it would be.

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I don't want Cally, MSL, Spezza or Kesler. For free, sure, but not for the prices they would cost, whether monetarily or in a trade.

It is a shame, but just because people advocate for trading the farm for Kesler (which I agree, would be worse then just paying Cally), does not mean we should push for even FURTHER mistakes.

All of the aforementioned are mistakes for this club. We're not contenders, as was made clear from the beatings we took this weekend.

We are best off holding onto what we've got, for the right price and adding young players where we can, or, if we're going to overpay, do it for a young, potential star.
Yep.

I don't care about trading Cally for the "new and shiny." I just want the flexibility at this point.

If they want to move him just for draft picks...oh well..

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I would claim Clemmensen.

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Who cares about what he did under Torts?
I do. I care about it quite a bit, actually, primarily because what he did under Torts makes up the vast majority of his playing career. And unlike the vast majority of people here, I think evaluating a player based on one half season with numerous factors affecting his play is extremely foolish.

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And no offense, but I'm sure Callahan hasn't sold 6.3 million worth of jerseys. Look, we get it, you love the guy, and so do many of us, but i'm not going to support a bad move by this franchise because of how hard someone played for us and how good a Ranger he HAS been.
I'm not asking you to. I don't really get the point of this comment. Do you want me to stop posting my opinion and just read you (all of you) post the same redundant denigration of Callahan and calls for him to be traded/not re-signed?

I get it, too. Generally, when the vast majority of this board agrees on something regarding a major roster move, they turn out to be dead wrong. As many people here that want Callahan gone wanted the Rangers to sign Scott Gomez and Wade Redden. As many people here that want Callahan gone wanted the Rangers to do X number of things that would have been disasters if they had went down. So I'm not too worried about the fact that most people here disagree with me.

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It's about what he'll do in the future and this year has shown he's already trending downward and is not as vital a part of this team as under Torts.
Pretty difficult to establish a trend based on one half season, since so many players struggle for even an entire season and regain their previous level of play. Trends require several examples to become trends. One of anything is not a trend.

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It's about the name on the front, not the back.
Apparently it isn't, because AFAIC, over the last few years, Ryan Callahan has displayed far more commitment and respect toward the name on the front of the jersey than anyone else associated with the team (perhaps with the exception of Henrik Lundqvist, who certainly didn't take much of a hometown discount, nor should he have). AFAIC, the Rangers have been giving me a big "**** you" for as long as I can remember, routinely putting out subpar products and making it less and less affordable for me to remain a diehard fan. The Rangers have been mailing it in as far as running the franchise. The Rangers have refused to sacrifice anything in order to build a real winner.

Ryan Callahan has shown that he is willing to sacrifice far more for the good of the team than the team itself. Ryan Callahan was one of the things that made watching Ranger games enjoyable for a number of years when the team, with very few exceptions, was a steaming pile of boring *******. And Ryan Callahan is still enjoyable to watch, even when he isn't scoring as much as he has in the past, because of how many other things he still does right, even during an unarguably poor season for him so far.

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Silver, stop. You OWE Callahan your gratitude and your posts do not show any. Don't you know that it's gratitude that they play for and not the massive paychecks that they get because we buy tickets, buy merchandise and watch every night on TV. Callahan has sacrificed himself for this team. He could be doing his dream job, helping people file their taxes in Rochester, but he sacrificed that to keep you entertained and you're not showing him enough gratitude.
Can't tell if serious.......

Callahan HAS my gratitude, he does, really. He lays it on the line every night. That does not mean I can't say that I'm upset with the contract situation, and say that I would prefer if the Rangers walk away from a deal that will, in my belief, be a burden in the future.

Again, again, again, (how many times do I have to say it) I am not MAD at Callahan for asking for that money because I DO believe he will get it on the open market. I am MAD at SATHER for bringing 6x$6m to the table in the first place.

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Im in agreement, and my post wasnt necessarily directed at you.

Moreso towards the dozens and dozens of posters who have showed their true stripes and hypocrisy by blasting Callahan and then endorsing stupid trades that further hurt the franchise.
Signing Callahan today at 6x6 or worse HURTS the franchise.

I don't want any of the guys being rumored, either. I'd like prospects/1st round pick.

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I do think it's silly to blame Callahan though. People who have never turned down $10 million are quick to point out how easy it would be.
Cally can do whatever he wants. He can make whatever demands he wants. Thats his choice.

The Rangers shouldn't oblige him. He can get what he wants someplace else.

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