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03-04-2014, 12:31 PM
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How the hell do the Penguins have cap room?

Serious question.
Letang at 3.5m is on LTIR and apparently (according to the Pens beat writer) Pens brass expect him to be gone for the season.

Dupuis at 4.25m is on LTIR and gone for the season.

Martin at 5m is injured, and expected to be gone for 6 weeks.

That free's up a lot of space.

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Pitt is determined to get somebody. IF they can't get Kesler than Vanek becomes their #1 target

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Pittsburgh getting Vanek or Kesler is too silly. Sounds like D is more of a problem than scoring.

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You're an Islanders fan I take it?

If you're a Kings fan and made this proposal. Then all Islanders fan should take this and run
Let me guess you believe Linden Vey, Tanner Pearson and Tyler Toffoli will unite to form the second coming of the Triple Crown Line. Just out of curiosity which one is Marcel Dionne?

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if pens go and win the cup with Vanek i doubt most would miss Määttä. That said even with Vanek i just don't see Pens winning with defence and goaltending like they have.
You don't trade Maatta for an UFA who has already said he will test the market. I wouldn't even offer up DP for Vanek. Shero would be run out of town immediately.

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Pittsburgh getting Vanek or Kesler is too silly. Sounds like D is more of a problem than scoring.
Their D isn't a huge problem. But neither Vanek nor Kesler address the lack of scoring depth. They desperately need to upgrade the bottom 6, or it'll be another run of "Stop Crosby + Malkin = Stop the Penguins".

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de-Hann-Hamonic
Reinhart-Pulock
Pelech-Pokka

Donovan Mayfield Pedan Burroughs


that's just prospects and young guys.. no free agents


Pokka and Pulock are the 2 future Islesoffensive defenseman and de-Hann will but up points as well..
Go back 5 years and everyone's filling our future depth charts with Campoli-Gervais.

Ideally I'd like a goalie or forward prospect, but if we're dealing with Pittsburgh, I really hope Snow is asking for Pouliot. He's a bluechipper and worst case scenario, we have to many young top-4 defenseman and have to trade one of them.

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I don't read this as Pittsburgh being in on Kesler AND NOW Vanek. Gillis is probably asking for more than Shero can afford to give for Kesler, which means Shero is shifting his focus.

Apparently it's: 2014 1st, 2014 3rd, Sutter, Dumoulin/Despres/Pouliot.

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Pittsburgh getting Vanek or Kesler is too silly. Sounds like D is more of a problem than scoring.
The Boston series last year says otherwise.

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Shero would be run out of Town if he Traded Maatta
Snow is going to have to take lower value for Vanek then he would like. He's between a rock and a hard place. Vanek will leave as a UFA if he doesn't trade him, and Vanek's value has fallen since heading to Long Island.

So, Vanek will NOT garner Maatta.

Vanek will garner closer to what Iginla and Bouwmeester garnered

Iginla

for

1st Rounder(28) - Klimchuk
Hanowski
Agostino

Bouwmeester

for

1st Rounder(22) - Poirier
Berra
Cundari

...Both Klimchuk and Poirier look like players....

Anyway, I'm not saying the Isles won't get a bit more then what the Flames got, but they are not going to get 1st, 2nd, Moulson level either.

I think the Pens would part with Pouliot and a 1st, or Dumoulin, 1st, 2nd....if so the Isles should take it and cut their loses

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Why are some teams so obsessed with scoring and completely disregard defense or all around play. The Penguins lack a balanced team. They need to add gritty players and defense.

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Crosby's RW (Gibbons) is a pretty big weakness. With Dupuis done for the year, Shero is pretty aggressively looking to fill that hole.
That's why I said scoring forwards and not "Crosby's wing". The Pens have Neal who has been a 40 G, PPG player with them and two players easily capable of 100+ points one of which is widely regarded as the best player in the world. You don't need anything more then that trio when your D is being destroyed by injuries and not as good as the top six (injured or uninjured), the bottom six is weak, the coaching is questionable, and nobody knows what to expect in the playoffs from your starter.

I never said they don't need some top six wingers. They do, but when you have Neal, Malkin, Crosby as half your top six and options like Bennett to help round it out it's far from your biggest area of need.

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Their D isn't a huge problem. But neither Vanek nor Kesler address the lack of scoring depth. They desperately need to upgrade the bottom 6, or it'll be another run of "Stop Crosby + Malkin = Stop the Penguins".
Even with the injuries to Letang and Martin?

What type of player would you acquire for the Pens' bottom-6?

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With Letang out for the season wouldnt a Dman be better?

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what the actual...why...

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I'd much rather have Kesler. Vanek is a nice piece but everyone and their mother knows he's bolting for the Wild in July.

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Can Vanek play defence or goal?

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The Boston series last year says otherwise.
The Pens' big guns got shut down by Boston. It speaks more to a depth issue rather than needing to acquire a top-6 scorer. In other words, Pittsburgh lacks balance in their bottom lines.

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That's why I said scoring forwards and not "Crosby's wing". The Pens have Neal who has been a 40 G, PPG player with them and two players easily capable of 100+ points one of which is widely regarded as the best player in the world. You don't need anything more then that trio when your D is being destroyed by injuries and not as good as the top six (injured or uninjured), the bottom six is weak, the coaching is questionable, and nobody knows what to expect in the playoffs from your starter.

I never said they don't need some top six wingers. They do, but when you have Neal, Malkin, Crosby as half your top six and options like Bennett to help round it out it's far from your biggest area of need.
Well, Bennett had a setback in his recovery and is supposed to be out at least another 4-6 weeks. I totally agree that they need to upgrade the bottom 6 though; just look at these lines at today's morning skate!

Kunitz - Crosby - Gibbons
Jokinen - Malkin - Neal
Pyatt - Sutter - Vitale
Glass - Adams - Kobasew

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Let me guess you believe Linden Vey, Tanner Pearson and Tyler Toffoli will unite to form the second coming of the Triple Crown Line. Just out of curiosity which one is Marcel Dionne?
Nobody at all said that. Why would we give up two of our top 3 prospects (one of whom will be replacing Stoll if we moved him) and a 1st for a guy who seems destined to hit UFA and someone who I assume will be a health scratch for us (I don't know much about Donovan). Just doesn't make sense for us. Pearson + 1st + B prospect is what I guess most Kings fans would be okay with. Although I'm sure my fellow fans will tell me I'm overpaying, but I think that will be about the price to get TV.

And Toffoli is Dionne.

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Why are some teams so obsessed with scoring and completely disregard defense or all around play. The Penguins lack a balanced team. They need to add gritty players and defense.
this is a great post...

I would think a guy like Callahan would be in high demand because in the playoffs players like this win championships....

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Pittsburgh getting Vanek or Kesler is too silly. Sounds like D is more of a problem than scoring.
We didn't lose to Boston last season because of our defensive game. We lost because we scored 2 goals in 4 games.

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Well, Bennett had a setback in his recovery and is supposed to be out at least another 4-6 weeks. I totally agree that they need to upgrade the bottom 6 though; just look at these lines at today's morning skate!

Kunitz - Crosby - Gibbons
Jokinen - Malkin - Neal
Pyatt - Sutter - Vitale
Glass - Adams - Kobasew
How does one expect to win a cup with that bottom 6?

How does one expect to win a cup with Brooks Orpik as a #1 D?

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Even with the injuries to Letang and Martin?

What type of player would you acquire for the Pens' bottom-6?
Their bottom 6, as it stands today, has a combined 57 points in 257 games this season - so I'll go with any bottom 6 player (pref. winger) that could hit water if they fell out of a boat.

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Linden Vey, Tanner Pearson, Jarret Stoll, LAK 1st for Vanek and Matt Donovan.

...is my proposal.
Whatttt. Vey OR Pearson, yes. Not BOTH for a rental.

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