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03-04-2014, 12:45 PM
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Letang at 3.5m is on LTIR and apparently (according to the Pens beat writer) Pens brass expect him to be gone for the season.

Dupuis at 4.25m is on LTIR and gone for the season.

Martin at 5m is injured, and expected to be gone for 6 weeks.

That free's up a lot of space.
I don't think the Pens have put Letang or Martin on IR yet.

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With Letang out for the season wouldnt a Dman be better?
Letang was already out a good chunk of the year
Martin should be back for playoffs, and we have Orpik, Niskanen, Maatta, Scuderi, Bortuzzo, Despres, Engelland.

So unless we are trading a dman for an upgrade we shouldn't need defense.

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Pittsburgh getting Vanek or Kesler is too silly. Sounds like D is more of a problem than scoring.
The defense isn't a problem at all. Martin will be back for the playoffs, and even without Letang the Penguins have more NHL dmen then they can play.

The offense on the other hand is a huge problem. The Pens lines today were Kunitz-Crosby-Gibbons Jokinen-Malkin-Neal Pyatt-Sutter-Vitale Glass-Adams-Kobasew. When you have your best player playing with an AHL player on wing, a waiver pick-up and fourth line center as your third line wingers, and Tanner Glass, Craig Adams and Chuck Kobasew being on your roster at all, scoring is the problem.

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We didn't lose to Boston last season because of our defensive game. We lost because we scored 2 goals in 4 games.
Well as of right now, 2 of the Pens Defensemen are out due to injury, I'd imagine the D-corps are thin.

And I should correct myself, what I meant by scoring is mainly top-6 scoring (such as acquiring Kesler and Vanek). I highly doubt acquiring that kind of quality player would help the Pens in the playoffs. I do agree that Shero should be looking for scorers that can play in the 3rd/4th lines.

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Vanek's not a fit in Pittsburgh. Don't buy LA either.

Thinking Edmonton here. "K-Lo's revenge."

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How does one expect to win a cup with that bottom 6?

How does one expect to win a cup with Brooks Orpik as a #1 D?


Out of the current bottom 6, I like Sutter as 3C and Vitale for 4C. The rest of them can go as far as I'm concerned.

And bang on about Orpik. I got crucified for wanting him gone last March, and now that his value has hit rock bottom everyone is on board. His declined has been very apparent, and at this point he really shouldn't be anything more than a #4 guy.

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The Pens' big guns got shut down by Boston. It speaks more to a depth issue rather than needing to acquire a top-6 scorer. In other words, Pittsburgh lacks balance in their bottom lines.
I think it's both the terrible bottom six and lack of a winger for Sid, but I was responding to the statement that their defence was the problem.

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FYI, for those saying it can't work...This is with Vokoun off IR as well

FORWARDS
Thomas Vanek ($5.750m) / Evgeni Malkin ($8.700m) / James Neal ($5.000m)
Chris Kunitz ($3.725m) / Sidney Crosby ($8.700m) / Beau Bennett ($0.900m)
Jussi Jokinen ($2.100m) / Ryan Kesler ($5.000m) / Taylor Pyatt ($1.550m)
Craig Adams ($0.700m) / Joe Vitale ($0.550m) / Tanner Glass ($1.100m)
Deryk Engelland ($0.567m)
DEFENSEMEN
Simon Despres ($0.840m) / Brooks Orpik ($3.750m)
Robert Bortuzzo ($0.600m) / Rob Scuderi ($3.375m)
Matt Niskanen ($2.300m) / Olli Maatta ($0.894m)
GOALTENDERS
Marc-Andre Fleury ($5.000m)
Tomas Vokoun ($2.000m)
Jeff Zatkoff ($0.538m)
LTIR
Pascal Dupuis ($3.750m)
Paul Martin ($5.000m)
Kris Letang ($3.500m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2013-14 crunched using simulation date of 2014-03-04)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $661,667

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Well, Bennett had a setback in his recovery and is supposed to be out at least another 4-6 weeks. I totally agree that they need to upgrade the bottom 6 though; just look at these lines at today's morning skate!

Kunitz - Crosby - Gibbons
Jokinen - Malkin - Neal
Pyatt - Sutter - Vitale
Glass - Adams - Kobasew
Yeah that's a big problem. Everyone besides Gibbons in that top six isn't outlandish. Even Gibbons works because it's Crosby.

Kesler actually makes sense just because it would bring them back to the Crosby-Malkin-Staal type thing from before which helps their scoring options and the bottom six. Plus Kesler wouldn't be a rental.

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Could it be a MacDonald/Vanek package? that would add defense and a scoring winger for Crosby. Then all the Pens would have to do is add a depth guy or two and be done.

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Well as of right now, 2 of the Pens Defensemen are out due to injury, I'd imagine the D-corps are thin.

And I should correct myself, what I meant by scoring is mainly top-6 scoring (such as acquiring Kesler and Vanek). I highly doubt acquiring that kind of quality player would help the Pens in the playoffs. I do agree that Shero should be looking for scorers that can play in the 3rd/4th lines.
Ironically, the Pens best depth is at D. WIth 9 defensemen on their current roster (including IR), they'e still got Mikkelson, Samuelsson, Harrington, and Dumoulin in the AHL.

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I bet Anahiem just got Vanek with them trading away Penner.

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Ironically, the Pens best depth is at D. WIth 9 defensemen on their current roster (including IR), they'e still got Mikkelson, Samuelsson, Harrington, and Dumoulin in the AHL.
Now that's interesting. I underestimated the Pens' D depth. I take back that claim. If I were the Pens, I'd probably go after the type of player who would score 40-50 points a season on the third line. There's really no point in getting Kesler or Vanek.

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wasn't Shero supposed to not go after rentals this year?
Seem to recall that Vanek said he would re-sign on a contender.

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Anaheim says "Hello".

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Despres, Kuhnhackl and a 1st for Vanek

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Anaheim makes much more sense in every way.

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Pittsburgh getting Vanek or Kesler is too silly. Sounds like D is more of a problem than scoring.
Why is it that it's always non-Penguin fans who insist on this line of thinking?

"Pittsburgh doesn't need scoring, they need defense!"

"Pittsburgh doesn't need to find a winger for Crosby, they need to replace Letang on defense!"

No, Pittsburgh's two biggest needs are up front: a RW for the top line, and more punch in the bottom six. Defense (the six men that play the position, not in terms of "team defense") is the LAST place the Pens need help. They've already got too many guys who can play at the NHL level with no room for them.

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Despres, Kuhnhackl and a 1st for Vanek
Think that sadly it would take more than that. Likely have to swap Kuhnhackl for Bennett or Sutter.

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I've watched Vanek for years in Buffalo.

He gets 50 on Crosby's wing, easy.

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Vanek at 50% is around $2.9M AAV

Kings can acquire a player at $3M AAV, while Pittsburgh can only afford a player around $1M AAV (cap geek formula)

Pittsburgh would have to send back player(s) on their roster who make about $2M AAV in return to afford Vanek. LA can do it with just picks/prospects because vanek at 50%< LAK salary cap space remaining.
Are trade deadline cap hits no longer pro rata? Am I missing something?

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I've watched Vanek for years in Buffalo.

He gets 50 on Crosby's wing, easy.
I'd give up a lot for him is he was signed and I love the thought of him with Crosby but because he is an UFA I'm not sure Shero would give up much.

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I've watched Vanek for years in Buffalo.

He gets 50 on Crosby's wing, easy.

If I had a dollar every time...

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Anaheim says "Hello".

@JoshRimerHockey 4m

Sources telling me Ducks making room for Thomas Vanek.

Is this guy legit?

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Total speculation...

@RealKyper 38s

#Ducks really interesting . They continue to try and free up money in what is expected to be for something bigger. Vanek a possibility.


@drosennhl 44s

Have to think Ducks have something more in play here with Penner reportedly on move to Caps. Vanek makes sense now. Vanek-Getzlaf-Perry.

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