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[NYI/PHI] Andrew MacDonald for Matt Mangene, 2015 2nd and 2014 3rd round picks

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03-04-2014, 03:29 PM
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There was a reason why so many teams wanted him and now the flyers got him, he's trash... Please put the pieces together, other fans LOVE hating on us. It was a good pickup

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this i like
Wow, same here. Just a very good solid player. Way to go Homer. This young man is just what this club needs.

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We are desperately lacking 4/5 Dmen!


Especially ones payed 4 mill a year.

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Gus is not viewed around the league as a better player than MacDonald. Just admit it.
That doesn't mean they're right.

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If they trade Mez and Grossmann and play:

Timonen-Coburn
Streit-MacDonald
Schenn-Gus

they go from a bottom 5-10 D to a middling/average D I reckon.

But ofc they will not.

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Especially ones payed 4 mill a year.
On the bright side, he is only making 550K this year

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Waste of assets IMO. We are/were farther than an Andrew McDonald away from really competing, so it ultimately turns out to make us worse in the long term.

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Wow, same here. Just a very good solid player. Way to go Homer. This young man is just what this club needs.
Carle was better but clearly they didn't need him according to some..so now we get a lesser version which is fine but again ...Holmgren is the best GM at fixing his own mistakes although this is a half fix and we paid a price in assets

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We are desperately lacking 4/5 Dmen!



Hopefully the Flyers move a couple of them now.

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Seriously, do these guys not know Gus is just sitting the **** around? We have Grossmann getting worse and worse...he keeps playing. Meszaros is skating around being an unreliable defensive timebomb...he keeps playing. The steady, consistent defenseman who has outperformed both and has actual chemistry with Luke? Not playing.

Let's make a trade instead to replace one of Mez or Gross! Flyers Hockey! If they aren't both being hauled out this doesn't make sense at all.

If only every GM in the NHL knew what you guys knew...

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Carle was better but clearly they didn't need him according to some..so now we get a lesser version which is fine but again ...Holmgren is the best GM at fixing his own mistakes although this is a half fix.
We didn't need him at the overpayment he got.

It's likely we don't need MacDonald at the overpayment he apparently expects.

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Luongo to the Panthers, too.

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If only every GM in the NHL knew what you guys knew...
The Flyers organization has shown almost nothing worthwhile when it comes to handling their own homegrown Dmen since they came into the league in 1967. There is practically no reason not to second-guess their handling of Gus, especially since the stats and eyeball test indicate there's no reason to keep him benched.

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Luongo to the Panthers, too.
Now THERE is a situation completely botched by a GM . The Canucks have spent the last, what...2, 3 years screwing around with Lu?

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We didn't need him at the overpayment he got.

It's likely we don't need MacDonald at the overpayment he apparently expects.
I disagree..we needed him and even Meltzer said it at the time. He said he was a need and sometimes you have to overpay especially when you let the player go on the open market.

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If only every GM in the NHL knew what you guys knew...
This isn't 1996. Evidence exists to make this argument weak sauce.

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Very nice trade on its own.

Definitely means moves on D though.

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I disagree..we needed him and even Meltzer said it at the time. He said he was a need and sometimes you have to overpay especially when you let the player go on the open market.
Nah, we really didn't need a 5+ million dollar breakout specialist who hurt offensive production overall and who can't anchor his own pairing, especially when a lot of the breakout problems were on Lavi's inability to adjust. Sort of like how we really don't need Yandle, an overrated offensive and PP specialist who's really bad defensively.

What we NEED is to start growing these players internally, IMO. Without benching them for months at a time

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This isn't 1996. Evidence exists to make this argument weak sauce.
It's completely typical of this board there is always a player that the flyers are too stupid or thickheaded to realize that he's the next Bobby Orr.

Saying Gus is better than McDonald is simply ludicrous. And I really like Gus.

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We didn't need him at the overpayment he got.

It's likely we don't need MacDonald at the overpayment he apparently expects.
I understand why they would get MacDonald now though... the UFA pool is dwindling. One of Niskanen or Orpik, Boyle and Markov are the only guys clearly better than MacDonald who 'could' be available. Nikitin and Stralman are the other guys who are maybe in Macdonalds 'tier'... but still Macdonald is likely better.

Pitkanen is the wild card... but he may never play again!

I think they are thinking if Kimmo goes they are ****ed... they are anyway, but this gives some contingency and flexibility into the summer. (though not much really... rock and hard place really.)

They basically are ensuring they dont end up with Mez, Klesla, Morris, Gilbert, Phillips or Hannan as the best option!

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It's completely typical of this board there is always a player that the flyers are too stupid or thickheaded to realize that he's the next Bobby Orr.

Saying Gus is better than McDonald is simply ludicrous. And I really like Gus.
He's better than Gross and Mez and should be on a D pair with Luke Schenn. He's not an elite D man but a very solid one who is being benched for no good reason.

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I really hope we don't overpay him in the offseason.

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It's completely typical of this board there is always a player that the flyers are too stupid or thickheaded to realize that he's the next Bobby Orr.

Saying Gus is better than McDonald is simply ludicrous. And I really like Gus.
It's more so the fact that any upgrade MacDonald may or may not give over Gus isn't worth the 2nd and 3rd round picks and the contract he'll most likely get in the off-season.

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If they trade Mez & recoup the pick I'll be happy. I'll be even happier if Grossmann is gone as well.

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It's completely typical of this board there is always a player that the flyers are too stupid or thickheaded to realize that he's the next Bobby Orr.

Saying Gus is better than McDonald is simply ludicrous. And I really like Gus.
OK




Probably not a good idea to bring in players whose teammates are always better when he's not on the ice.

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