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^^^ I love that. Loved old Pink Panther movies. If someone can size that down love to use that for my new avy. Awesome find

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^^^ I love that. Loved old Pink Panther movies. If someone can size that down love to use that for my new avy. Awesome find
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Thanks! Love your avy by the way. I was watching that series highlights on youtube the other day (30 minutes great viewing for all). I really think that Philly-Florida series was my fav all time.

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Thanks! Love your avy by the way. I was watching that series highlights on youtube the other day (30 minutes great viewing for all). I really think that Philly-Florida series was my fav all time.
Yeh, I agree, such epic battles.

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This link is for any upcoming Vancouver trolls.

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/03/canu...nter-ice-goal/

Maybe Markstrom has a chance to start soon...

Would be funny if Vancouver went from goalie controversy...

Who is better - Luongo or Schneider?

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Who is worse - Lack or Markstrom?

We've had some very nice & friendly Canuck fans coming by lately, but there were plenty of not-so-nice (ahem) ones after the FIRST Luongo trade.

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Torts on not pulling Lack: Markstrom just isnt ready

Not even ready enough to replace a guy who allowed seven goals in a period. Ouch.

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This link is for any upcoming Vancouver trolls.

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/03/canu...nter-ice-goal/

Maybe Markstrom has a chance to start soon...

Would be funny if Vancouver went from goalie controversy...

Who is better - Luongo or Schneider?

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Who is worse - Lack or Markstrom?

We've had some very nice & friendly Canuck fans coming by lately, but there were plenty of not-so-nice (ahem) ones after the FIRST Luongo trade.
Probably the same guys calling Luongo names now because he wanted out of Vancouver. They were the same ones that thought it was great when he wanted out of here.

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If Markstrom continues to falter in Vancouver like he did here, it won't be because Markstrom simply isn't that good of a goaltender, it will be due to how Markstrom was handled in Florida, and how we ruined a great prospect - leaving him void of any responsibility of his own play.

Be prepared for that, because it will come.

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So i stopped watching after 2 periods since nucks was up 3-0 and i was sure they would win... But Läck will be a great goalie he just arent a 1st goalie yet, and Nucks would need someone like Thomas for a year or two that he could share it with.

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Torts on not pulling Lack: Markstrom just isnt ready
Torts is just hating. Markstrom is ready and the only reason he wasn't in the NHL this year full-time was because the Panthers are cheap and didn't want to pay Clem to play in the AHL. Don't blame Markstrom, blame the universe.




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Torts is just hating. Markstrom is ready and the only reason he wasn't in the NHL this year full-time was because the Panthers are cheap and didn't want to pay Clem to play in the AHL. Don't blame Markstrom..

Finally you got it right !!!!

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This was posted in the Photoshop thread on the main boards

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This was posted in the Photoshop thread on the main boards
ohmygod ahahahaha
That just made my day!

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This was posted in the Photoshop thread on the main boards
Wow. That's pretty much how Vancouver looks from an outsiders perspective!

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Hey, Canucks/Panthers fan here. Seriously. I'm baffled by this trade for the Panthers.

Let me start by saying I'm one of the biggest Luongo fans in the league. I have 3 of his jersey, 2 signed, picture of him on my wall. I think he's a great person and a great player. That being said I can't believe the return the Canucks got for him.

35 years old, 8 years remaining on contract, trade demand to one team.

Those three factors should have combined to force Gillis to either retain Luongo or trade him along with a mid round pick for Matthias. There's no way I would have entertained anything else if I was Dale Tallon.

The fact that Markstrom was included absolutely blows my mind. I think he's going to be at worst a serviceable goalie and his ceiling is very high. The Panthers did a very poor job developing him. I think that's putting it mildly. Not only that but they gave up on him at 24 years of age. A lot of very good goalies were in a similar place at that age. I think a high quality goalie coach could do wonders for him.

I understand that Tallon was probably trying to stimulate a fanbase, but man, I think he whiffed a bit on this one.

Am I the only one who sees the rational behind this?

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35 years old, 8 years remaining on contract, trade demand to one team

Those three factors should have combined to force Gillis to either retain Luongo or trade him along with a mid round pick for Matthias. There's no way I would have entertained anything else if I was Dale Tallon.

The fact that Markstrom was included absolutely blows my mind. I think he's going to be at worst a serviceable goalie and his ceiling is very high. The Panthers did a very poor job developing him. I think that's putting it mildly. Not only that but they gave up on him at 24 years of age. A lot of very good goalies were in a similar place at that age. I think a high quality goalie coach could do wonders for him.
1. Matthias has been outplayed by the youth. He's a good energy but he isn't irreplaceable.

2. Markstrom has missed out the better part of 2 season with knee issues and wasn't really progressing. He had some good looks, sure but he wasn't close to putting it all together.

3. Time is the main factor. The youth is ready to take key roles in this team. Now is a crucial time to transition to a playoff team and the org decided it cannot wait for Marky to take the long road to being a starter. Bringing in Lu sets us up to make that transition, we get elite talent for very little cost and he gives us 4-5 years of certainty in net. Plus he's a guy who loves the area and who wants to be here. This also is something to turn the heads of agents and players heading to FA. Money wise FLA has lower taxes, and a lot of cap space. Getting Lu lets them know we are willing to spend and willing to compete, guys will get more for thier dollar down here.


Luongo here is a great thing for this team, plus the years Lu gives us is more than enough to develop a new prospect without the pressure of banking the future on him.

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Hey, Canucks/Panthers fan here. Seriously. I'm baffled by this trade for the Panthers.

Let me start by saying I'm one of the biggest Luongo fans in the league. I have 3 of his jersey, 2 signed, picture of him on my wall. I think he's a great person and a great player. That being said I can't believe the return the Canucks got for him.

35 years old, 8 years remaining on contract, trade demand to one team.

Those three factors should have combined to force Gillis to either retain Luongo or trade him along with a mid round pick for Matthias. There's no way I would have entertained anything else if I was Dale Tallon.

The fact that Markstrom was included absolutely blows my mind. I think he's going to be at worst a serviceable goalie and his ceiling is very high. The Panthers did a very poor job developing him. I think that's putting it mildly. Not only that but they gave up on him at 24 years of age. A lot of very good goalies were in a similar place at that age. I think a high quality goalie coach could do wonders for him.

I understand that Tallon was probably trying to stimulate a fanbase, but man, I think he whiffed a bit on this one.

Am I the only one who sees the rational behind this?
Markstrom was given multiple chances and didn't deliver.
Lu is also a great goalie and a cap hit of 4,5 isn't bad. If he retires early it will affect the Nucks more than it will affect us. I would though have prefered Miller for next year but we wouldn't have gotten him anyways. Solid trade for Florida IMO.

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Hey, Canucks/Panthers fan here. Seriously. I'm baffled by this trade for the Panthers.

Let me start by saying I'm one of the biggest Luongo fans in the league. I have 3 of his jersey, 2 signed, picture of him on my wall. I think he's a great person and a great player. That being said I can't believe the return the Canucks got for him.

35 years old, 8 years remaining on contract, trade demand to one team.

Those three factors should have combined to force Gillis to either retain Luongo or trade him along with a mid round pick for Matthias. There's no way I would have entertained anything else if I was Dale Tallon.

The fact that Markstrom was included absolutely blows my mind. I think he's going to be at worst a serviceable goalie and his ceiling is very high. The Panthers did a very poor job developing him. I think that's putting it mildly. Not only that but they gave up on him at 24 years of age. A lot of very good goalies were in a similar place at that age. I think a high quality goalie coach could do wonders for him.

I understand that Tallon was probably trying to stimulate a fanbase, but man, I think he whiffed a bit on this one.

Am I the only one who sees the rational behind this?
We got a top 10 goalie for a 3rd line scrub and a prospect who has so little confidence his coach won't start him against the 3rd worst team in the league in a 3 game in 4 night situation. I don't see the rationale for why Vancouver did this, and considering the Schneider fiasco, I view Gillis as one of the 3 worst GMs in the league. Florida wins this trade unless Markstrom can turn it around, and that appears doubtful right now.

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1. Matthias has been outplayed by the youth. He's a good energy but he isn't irreplaceable.

2. Markstrom has missed out the better part of 2 season with knee issues and wasn't really progressing. He had some good looks, sure but he wasn't close to putting it all together.

3. Time is the main factor. The youth is ready to take key roles in this team. Now is a crucial time to transition to a playoff team and the org decided it cannot wait for Marky to take the long road to being a starter. Bringing in Lu sets us up to make that transition, we get elite talent for very little cost and he gives us 4-5 years of certainty in net. Plus he's a guy who loves the area and who wants to be here. This also is something to turn the heads of agents and players heading to FA. Money wise FLA has lower taxes, and a lot of cap space. Getting Lu lets them know we are willing to spend and willing to compete, guys will get more for thier dollar down here.


Luongo here is a great thing for this team, plus the years Lu gives us is more than enough to develop a new prospect without the pressure of banking the future on him.
I don't disagree that Luongo is great for the team. I think any team would benefit from having him.

My confusion stems from how much Florida gave up for him considering the metric tonne of leverage that had over Vancouver.

Yes Markstrom wasn't exactly busting down the door, but wow, I think he would have benefited INCREDIBLY from playing behind Luongo for the next 3-4 years. If anything, trading for Luongo should have made Markstrom even more untouchable.

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We got a top 10 goalie for a 3rd line scrub and a prospect who has so little confidence his coach won't start him against the 3rd worst team in the league in a 3 game in 4 night situation. I don't see the rationale for why Vancouver did this, and considering the Schneider fiasco, I view Gillis as one of the 3 worst GMs in the league. Florida wins this trade unless Markstrom can turn it around, and that appears doubtful right now.
This is a bit of a short sighted opinion on Markstrom IMO.

Cory Schneider's stat line when he was 23 years old:
8 GP, 2-4-1, 0.877 Save%

Now look at him. He's so valuable that trading him for a top 10 pick in a deep draft is considered a "fiasco" (which I agree with).

There's still so much time for a goalie like Markstrom to greatly improve, especially for somebody with so many physical tools like Jacob.

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This is a bit of a short sighted opinion on Markstrom IMO.

Cory Schneider's stat line when he was 23 years old:
8 GP, 2-4-1, 0.877 Save%

Now look at him. He's so valuable that trading him for a top 10 pick in a deep draft is considered a "fiasco" (which I agree with).

There's still so much time for a goalie like Markstrom to greatly improve, especially for somebody with so many physical tools like Jacob.
He did nothing in 4 years here. He needs at least another 2 in the AHL to develop. Tallon had enough waiting around. So did the fans.

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At 24 years of age Quick played 72 games and had a .907.
At 24 years of age Rinne played 2 games and had a .900.
At 24 years of age Miller played 3 games and had a .795.

My point is that a lot of really DOMINANT goalies of today were not anywhere close to what they are now at 24 years old. A goalies career curve is so much more gradual than a skaters, it's by far the longest.

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I don't disagree that Luongo is great for the team. I think any team would benefit from having him.

My confusion stems from how much Florida gave up for him considering the metric tonne of leverage that had over Vancouver.

Yes Markstrom wasn't exactly busting down the door, but wow, I think he would have benefited INCREDIBLY from playing behind Luongo for the next 3-4 years. If anything, trading for Luongo should have made Markstrom even more untouchable.
Would he really though? A guy with his knee history you need to get starts and you need him to play. Lu is going to be a workhorse with at least 60 starts a year. Lu is a great mentor and he'll be one for Houser/ Brittian/ next guy in 3-4 years when he doesn't get as many starts.

Plus 3-4 years, Markstrom is UFA, why risk him jumping ship? Then it all is for nothing.

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It is entirely possible that Markstrom could turn into a great goalie. It's a risk the Panthers chose to make. The fact is, the panthers just couldn't wait for Markstrom to maybe turn into a great goalie. We didn't have a long-term #1 goalie for Markstrom play under. They could have taken a gamble on getting a #1 in free agency, but that would just be another risk. Going into next year with Markstrom and Thomas was simply not an option. Thomas is getting older and having more injury issues and Markstrom has quite simply been complete **** in the NHL. Going into next season with Thomas and Markstrom could have (and in my opinon likely would have) been a complete disaster.

Instead of going that route, the Panthers chose to get a reliable #1 and a some good PR. The other player the Panthers traded was for whatever reason in the coach's doghouse. I would have liked to keep Matthias, but the truth is we have other players who are plenty capable of stepping in where Matthias was playing.


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