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[BUF/LAK]Brayden McNabb + 2 2nd's + Parker for Hudson Fasching + Nicolas Deslauriers

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03-05-2014, 01:33 PM
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Definitely happy with this

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Seems like this forum is split on this trade.. We paid a hefty price for this kid IMO
You Do Realize that there are two guys coming over, right?

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I just want to state in no way am I upset McNabb is gone or our 2 2nd's especially if they are in 2014. McNabb got leap frogged and I wasn't all the high on him making the roster in the first place but I want to see some NHL Ready prospects. Not prospects 3 to 4 years of development still.
The only 2014 2nds we have to give away are #30 overall and LAs. Are you that petrified of how bad GMTM would be at drafting that you'd rather give both of those away to get Lombardi's fourth rounders?

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Why is everyone saying we gave up a lot for Fashing. We go t 2 players in this deal that we really need in this organization. Kids with size that can skate and play power forward games. Loved Fasching at the WJCs and wished we had a prospect like him.

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The **** proven talent do you think McNabb is going to get? None that is worthwhile. We turned a borderliner who was about to lose his AHL waiver exemption next year (I think) into a guy who, if he hits, will be a difference maker. If he doesn't hit, so be it. We have other guys with a similar dynamic. The odds are being stacked in our favor. Fasching is a very promising prospect. People who watch NCAA hockey will tell you.

How about giving Murray the rest of the deadline and maybe -- just maybe -- the offseason before bemoaning that he's not bringing in any young NHL-ready talent.
The 2 2nd's could easily have been used for NHL Ready Prospects. Tim Murray isn't a god. Judgement will be set 3 to 4 years from now when these projects/prospects are maybe just maybe fighting for a roster spot.

Im tired of "promising". so many promises have been broken. Unproven prospects are too well reguarded. Ive seen WAAAY to many players be awesome AHLers and cant crack the NHL and now you have another 3 to 4 years to wait and see how these 2 turn out.

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03-05-2014, 01:35 PM
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Not understanding the flack here. Murray gets a guy he wanted for a guy that would never get a shot here and a few picks. We can't keep ALL of our assets...

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03-05-2014, 01:35 PM
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Also, none of you are allowed to hate this trade. Murray knows more than you. If, in 2-3 years he has made a ton of mives that turned out to be bad you can start hating his moves. Until then He's untouchable.

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03-05-2014, 01:36 PM
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It looks like Buffalo overpaid a little but you would not get Fasching for a 4th this year.

Fasching can stay at Minnesota for 2-3 more years and then the Sabres can put him wherever they want. Meanwhile McNabb was likely never getting out of Rochester. Including two 2nds is meh but Sabres were never going to keep all the picks anyway.

When the site is back up go to mayorsmanor and check out his Kings 2014 mid way prospect review. He was puffing Fasching as the biggest mover in their system.


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If Tim Murray is such a stellar scout, how does he not turn a pair of seconds (one of which HAS to be a 2015, unless we're giving away #30 overall this year, too) into something like Hudson Fasching? The kid was a fourth rounder just 30 games ago. Is he that ****ing ****** at drafting, that he'd rather have another team's fourth rounder than a pair of seconds to utilize himself? It's a joke any way you look at it.
Maybe he thinks Fasching is better than anything that'll be available in the 50-60 range in the 2014 draft. You seem to be missing the part where Kings fans thought this kid was untouchable.

McNabb is probably behind Ehrhoff, Zadorov, and McCabe on the LHD side, and he was losing his waiver exempt status after this season. It was high time to trade him.

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If Tim Murray is such a stellar scout, how does he not turn a pair of seconds (one of which HAS to be a 2015, unless we're giving away #30 overall this year, too) into something like Hudson Fasching? The kid was a fourth rounder just 30 games ago. Is he that ****ing ****** at drafting, that he'd rather have another team's fourth rounder than a pair of seconds to utilize himself? It's a joke any way you look at it.
Do the possible ways to look at it include looking at hockey games being played by the relevant parties?

First off, Fasching was drafted out of HIGH SCHOOL [edit: USHL/USDP]. Those players who turn out to be good prospects were always drafted much lower than their equivalent CHL prospects, because it's harder to gauge high school players.

I like the first round of this year's draft but beyond that is no good. Murray believes the same thing. I wanted to use the 2nd's to trade up in the draft, Murray used them to trade up prospects. He got a guy he targeted and he was committed to acquiring him, giving up good value. How about having some faith in his ability to scout players?

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You guys got a hell of a forward in Deslauriers. You should be pleased with this return

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He's been every bit as good as Compher this year. They might be the two best freshman in the ncaa. Apache has taken big strides this year. Really happy we got him. And I agree about the McNabb love as I've never been high on him.
I loved Fasching at WJC, he was the best American not named Eichel. If that's a sample of what he brings, I'm fine giving back the LA 2nds.

We're getting a better idea of the Murray blueprint. The 3 prospects he's acquired play the "heavy game".

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You Do Realize that there are two guys coming over, right?
Yes I do, but 2 2nds in comparison to the trade market is a hefty price to pay for unproven players. Not saying it's a bad deal, just stating the price

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I like the deal. Never was big on McNabb.

Im fine with it as is. But it looks even better if you bring back a 2nd rounder in a future deal.

You're 2 for 2 in my books Timmy!

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Yes I do, but 2 2nds in comparison to the trade market is a hefty price to pay for unproven players. Not saying it's a bad deal, just stating the price
Not when the current GM has stated he doesn't see much NHL talent after the first round in the coming draft.

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You guys got a hell of a forward in Deslauriers. You should be pleased with this return
Everyone thought we had a hell of a forward in Luke Adam too............................................... ..... We will find out in 4 years tho.

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The 2 2nd's could easily have been used for NHL Ready Prospects. Tim Murray isn't a god. Judgement will be set 3 to 4 years from now when these projects/prospects are maybe just maybe fighting for a roster spot.

Im tired of "promising". so many promises have been broken. Unproven prospects are too well reguarded. Ive seen WAAAY to many players be awesome AHLers and cant crack the NHL and now you have another 3 to 4 years to wait and see how these 2 turn out.
What NHL-ready prospect would you have liked for him to acquire with this package? You're tired of "promising" players but want an NHL-ready prospect, further along in development but still all promise.

Waiting 3-4 years is irrelevant. Trading McNabb and two 2nd's wasn't going to get some guy who steps in and helps us be a winner in a year or two.

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Everyone thought we had a hell of a forward in Luke Adam too............................................... ..... We will find out in 4 years tho.
That's actually not true but whatever

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Fasching doesn't turn 19 for another five months. His are great numbers for a freshman at a school like U. of Minnesota. He also was excellent against the best 18 and 19 yr olds at the WJC.

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Quit defending this trade based on what's outside the first round in 2014. We either have to give up #30 overall or a 2015 second. Minnesota's pick is already reserved for St. Louis.

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What NHL-ready prospect would you have liked for him to acquire with this package? You're tired of "promising" players but want an NHL-ready prospect, further along in development but still all promise.

Waiting 3-4 years is irrelevant. Trading McNabb and two 2nd's wasn't going to get some guy who steps in and helps us be a winner in a year or two.
No but getting the NHL ready prospects gets this damn rebuild train moving.

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played out two of those three seasons in the AHL, and has continued to strengthen his reputation as an offensive force over that time. Deslauriers led the Monarchs defense in scoring last season, and in four playoff games he led the whole squad in points. He also is what the old-timey scouts would call a character guy. He earned the moniker #EmotionalLeader (yep, just dropping hashtags in the player review) from the Manchester Monarchs' Twitter account, by showing a willingness to drop the gloves and playing with a full head of steam in all zones.
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In short, there's a lot about Nick Deslauriers that is intriguing. That's not even getting to his physical gifts. He's an offensive defenseman with SIZE; whether he is actually 230 pounds is anyone's guess, but he at least fits the Muzzin/Martinez mold of offensive guys who could learn to throw their weight around. Additionally, Deslauriers pairs that with great offensive skills; Hockey's Future goes so far as to call him a "wizard" with the puck, while a more conservative Mark Morris has referred to him as a beautiful skater with a strong shot and good passing abilities.
http://www.jewelsfromthecrown.com/20...ck-deslauriers

That's from before the year. He played this season up front

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Quit defending this trade based on what's outside the first round in 2014. We either have to give up #30 overall or a 2015 second. Minnesota's pick is already reserved for St. Louis.
Don't we still have LA's pick from Regher?

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Quit defending this trade based on what's outside the first round in 2014. We either have to give up #30 overall or a 2015 second. Minnesota's pick is already reserved for St. Louis.
Who gives a ****? Can we stop acting like guys in the 50's next year are going to be top-6 regulars. McNabb wasn't hacking it here. Fasching is playing great as a young player at Minnesota and looked fantastic against the best 18 and 19 year olds at the WJC.

These are precisely the deals we should be looking at.

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shocking how some just dont get this deal...oh wait, no it isnt.

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