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10-10-2 with him
22-15-3 without him
How much of the 10-10-2 was compiled with Curtis McElhinney in net?

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So essentially... we traded Brassard, Moore, Dorsett and Gaborik for Matt Frattin and a few picks?
that's shortsided...the cap space was always going to be the key and the freeing up of contracts

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Do you honestly think Matt Frattin is better than Marian Gaborik.
Man, you just don't get it, do you? The question is, are we better or worse without Gaborik. We are not worse without Gaborik. Frattin doesn't have anything to do with my opinion. Who knows if we will even play him. It is all about Gaborik. Trading him did nothing to hurt our chances of making the playoffs.

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So essentially... we traded Brassard, Moore, Dorsett and Gaborik for Matt Frattin and a few picks?
Moore wouldn't crack our top six on defense. Brassard and Dorsett were also moved for "not a fit" reasons. Gabby's was for style of play and being oft-injured. Dorsett was for not playing smart. Brassard, from everything I've heard, was changing the culture issue. Addition by subtraction.

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A thirdliner for a thirdliner and some.

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I was unaware that we aren't allowed to make any more trades .
Does Frattin (or anyone he might replace off the 4th line) have enough value to get what we need?

(and yes assuming picks added)

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I'll echo some of the other posters that this smells like a move to clear cap so that jarmo could make other moves.

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Moore wouldn't crack our top six on defense. Brassard and Dorsett were also moved for "not a fit" reasons. Gabby's was for style of play and being oft-injured. Dorsett was for not playing smart. Brassard, from everything I've heard, was changing the culture issue.
Agreed. Dorsett is a 4th liner, Brassard a 3rd liner / PP specialist, and John Moore would still be in Springfield along with Tim Erixon.

What I don't understand is why they felt like they had to trade Gaborik. And it wasn't just a spontaneous thing, it sounds like they've been set on trading him for a few months now.

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This is ridiculous when people just take the Jackets record with and without Gaborik.
He played at thee beginning of the year, when Joey didn't play that well, Bob as usually has a slow start, JMFJ was sucking all the time. I guess al of that was Gabby's fault?

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Man, you just don't get it, do you? The question is, are we better or worse without Gaborik. We are not worse without Gaborik. Frattin doesn't have anything to do with my opinion. Who knows if we will even play him. It is all about Gaborik. Trading him did nothing to hurt our chances of making the playoffs.
Are we a better team with Marian Gaborik in the lineup or one of Matt Frattin/Blake Comeau/Corey Tropp?

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Does Frattin (or anyone he might replace off the 4th line) have enough value to get what we need?

(and yes assuming picks added)
Are we only allowed to trade 4th liners and picks ? Seriously, I love how people are complaining so much about something that means so little. We have played most of the year without him.

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How much of the 10-10-2 was compiled with Curtis McElhinney in net?
Gaborik only played 1 game (the one he broke his collarbone in) while Bob was hurt.

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Man, you just don't get it, do you? The question is, are we better or worse without Gaborik. We are not worse without Gaborik. Frattin doesn't have anything to do with my opinion. Who knows if we will even play him. It is all about Gaborik. Trading him did nothing to hurt our chances of making the playoffs.
We are worse without Gaborik. Taking away a someone with his offensive skill during a tight deadline race doesn't help us make the playoffs.

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Are we a better team with Marian Gaborik in the lineup or one of Matt Frattin/Blake Comeau/Corey Tropp?
The same. I get it, you think Gaborik is great. Let's just agree to disagree. I am not changing my opinion on this topic.

YES! Ruutu to NJ. So glad we didn't trade for him.

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Are we a better team with Marian Gaborik in the lineup or one of Matt Frattin/Blake Comeau/Corey Tropp?
rhetorical question.

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Agreed. Dorsett is a 4th liner, Brassard a 3rd liner / PP specialist, and John Moore would still be in Springfield along with Tim Erixon.

What I don't understand is why they felt like they had to trade Gaborik. And it wasn't just a spontaneous thing, it sounds like they've been set on trading him for a few months now.
Weren't going to resign him and would lose him for nothing.

The only issue is would he have helped us for the remainder of the season and the playoffs or are we better off to have some grit - like Comeau or Boll in the lineup? I'm not even sure where I come down on that argument.

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Are we only allowed to trade 4th liners and picks ? Seriously, I love how people are complaining so much about something that means so little. We have played most of the year without him.
Not complaining about the trade. Just wish we could have got something useful at all other than a 2nd. That's all I'm getting at.

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Jenner- Johanesan- Horton
Foligno- Anisimov- Atkinson
Calvert- Dubinsky- Umberger
Letestu- MacD- Comeau/tropp/frattin?

I think this looks really good still.. When we were rolling similar lines earlier, i remember talking with my dad about where Gaborik would fit and we agreed we would trade him.

Sure, this may not have been what we wanted, but if its a setup trade, then who cares?

I'd pay half for a grinder than have human glass for double the price..

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Ryan Murray is hurt again after already missing an entire year with injury. Clearly not man enough to play a north south game. Wonder if we could deal him for Ladisvlav Smid a 3rd rounder or something

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Any chance we flip those two picks/frattin, and add on something to get Moulson?

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Not complaining about the trade. Just wish we could have got something useful at all other than a 2nd. That's all I'm getting at.
Having more picks can be helpful. If you couldn't get something to help you in a Gaborik trade, you get something that can help you in other trades/drafts.

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I'm so amused by all these posters who were clamoring to trade Gaborik for months and now they're upset. "He just doesn't fit" -- as if there is a team where weak floaters are a great fit. Don't forget that other teams have pro scouts, and if a player looks awful to you, it does to them to.

I also like that Jarmo was willing to admit error on the Gaborik trade, there's no way to whitewash Brassard, Moore, Dorsett for Frattin and 2nd and 3rd. I think a lot of GM's wouldn't make the move just because it's an admission of error.

Frattin has been bad this year, but maybe he is just more of an East-Coast kind of player. He showed a lot of promise last year. Can we send him down to the AHL now without passing through waivers? Also at that RW position we're so crowded we just benched Tropp (who was on an assist tear) and we demoted Skille (who was on a goal scoring tear). I'm hoping we send down Frattin and pull up Skille.

Personally, I think this trade is a bad one if Anisimov falls back into a drought, and a good one if he keeps scoring.

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You guys are still looking at 40 goal gaborik. When healthy, he's barely a 30 goal scorer it looks like right now. I'm not huge on this trade if it isn't a precursor to another, but maybe the guys will stop referring to him for offense. He isn't a fit with the scheme, but he's a good player. Wish him well, but were arguably better without him.
And Frattin is? Thats the point most everyone is trying to make. We didnt need to trade him, he certainly would have helped this team more then Frattin is going to.

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