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03-07-2014, 11:34 PM
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If they took Coyle off that line and put Nino in, that line would have another 5 goals by the end of the year.
But the 3rd line would be less effective making that extra 5 goals mute.

I see Cooke-Brodziak-Nino as a better line than Cooke-brodziak-Coyle.

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03-07-2014, 11:46 PM
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^That is because Nino is just better than Coyle, imo.

Nino really deserves greater ice time for what he brings, and Coyle needs to practice a little more this summer.

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You guys are forgetting one key component...Coyle at wing>>>>>>>>Coyle at Center at this stage in his career. Let's see how Coyle does at wing for a few games before calling for his head.

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03-08-2014, 08:09 AM
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I know Coyle hasn't shown it on the stat line, but I like how he is playing, and our team really needs that combination of size, speed, and skill. I would put Nino on second, and make the third line Coyle, Brodziak, Haula. Possibly subbing in Brodziak for Haula when playing the Blues or similar teams. Nasty line!

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Please don't misunderstand, I actually like Coyle and I believe he is going to develop even further into being a good NHL player. Right now however, I really do believe Nino is just better than he is, at most things. It's not really a knock on Coyle, just is what it is.

Imo, Nino has a chance to become a really special player, a kind that we have been lacking, well, kinda forever. We better ****ing keep this kid around and give him a consistent shot at that top 6.

I would love to see Nino with Koivu and Moulson. Moulson has that discreet presence around the net and Nino is just that nasty, feisty piece, decent passer too.

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Koivu, Nino, Moulson would be pretty slow.

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Koivu, Nino, Moulson would be pretty slow.
How is that any different than with Coyle? Nino and Coyle have the same skating speed, and either one would be the fastest on the line.

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03-08-2014, 01:39 PM
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Yeo Rides Nino on the 3rd line because he knows how much more skilled with the puck he his compared to Coyle.

Hes trying to do a balancing act of 3 lines with speed/grit, Two-way game, and skill.

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You guys are forgetting one key component...Coyle at wing>>>>>>>>Coyle at Center at this stage in his career. Let's see how Coyle does at wing for a few games before calling for his head.
I don't agree. Coyle has had some of his best games this year at center.

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Good first game for Moulson. Added a nice spark a few times during the game and a big part of the 2nd goal was Moulson crashing the net with Coyle. I like that he seems like a threat with the puck and isn't shy about shooting either.

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I don't agree. Coyle has had some of his best games this year at center.
Ok obviously...he's played 90% of his games this year at center. Coyle being better at wing isn't an arguable point really at all.

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Ok obviously...he's played 90% of his games this year at center. Coyle being better at wing isn't an arguable point really at all.
Ha. "I'm right because you can't argue with my point."

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Poeple need to realize than when we say Nino should get Coyle spot on the 2nd line RW it isnt becuase we hate Coyle, but becuase we think that this would make our second line better because Nino is a better player. It's that simple..

I honestly think Coyle will be a very good player for us and i wish him the best, Nino is just better.

(the thing about balancing the 3rd line with Nino sound fair tho)

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Poeple need to realize than when we say Nino should get Coyle spot on the 2nd line RW it isnt becuase we hate Coyle, but becuase we think that this would make our second line better because Nino is a better player. It's that simple..

I honestly think Coyle will be a very good player for us and i wish him the best, Nino is just better.

(the thing about balancing the 3rd line with Nino sound fair tho)

^ this.

Although part of me thinks with Nino being a RFA this offseason we play him on the third because we know how good he is and want to keep his production down so he's more affordable going forward. Hope it's not the case, but imo it's clear Nino is better then Coyle atm.

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Poeple need to realize than when we say Nino should get Coyle spot on the 2nd line RW it isnt becuase we hate Coyle, but becuase we think that this would make our second line better because Nino is a better player. It's that simple..

I honestly think Coyle will be a very good player for us and i wish him the best, Nino is just better.

(the thing about balancing the 3rd line with Nino sound fair tho)
Good post. This is what I think as well.

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^ this.

Although part of me thinks with Nino being a RFA this offseason we play him on the third because we know how good he is and want to keep his production down so he's more affordable going forward. Hope it's not the case, but imo it's clear Nino is better then Coyle atm.
They wanna make to the playoffs no matter what, so its hard to believe that they would do that.

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They wanna make to the playoffs no matter what, so its hard to believe that they would do that.
Considering they'll have some room to play with and own his rights, I highly doubt it is that. It is more or less knowing that Nino is a better defender than Coyle is right now. Yeo trusts Nino out against top scoring lines as opposed to Charlie IMO.

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Coyle is great down low on the boards, keeping the puck in. Cooke does the same in the offensive zone. Having them on the same line would mean we have a crazy forechecking 3rd line, but spreading those two player out lets two lines have good forechecking ability. Nino will get his time.

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I think the rationale is Coyle is a better possession player than Nino. we want to be a possession team so...Idea is to have a solid possession guy on a line with Mikko so Mikko is less afraid to "cheat".

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I think the rationale is Coyle is a better possession player than Nino. we want to be a possession team so...Idea is to have a solid possession guy on a line with Mikko so Mikko is less afraid to "cheat".
Which was my rationale when I put Moulson-Koivu-Coyle on the 2nd and Nino on the 3rd in my guess at a depth chart after the Moulson trade. Nino is the better offensive player, but he has neither the possession skills of Coyle, nor the chemistry with Koivu.
Nino having better offense is also nice for that 3rd line, because it means it can continue to shut teams down and score the occasional goals like it did when Fontaine was on it.

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Which was my rationale when I put Moulson-Koivu-Coyle on the 2nd and Nino on the 3rd in my guess at a depth chart after the Moulson trade. Nino is the better offensive player, but he has neither the possession skills of Coyle, nor the chemistry with Koivu.
Nino having better offense is also nice for that 3rd line, because it means it can continue to shut teams down and score the occasional goals like it did when Fontaine was on it.
Have to disagree there. I haven't seen much of a chemistry between two and Nino is atleast as good maintaining the puck; he makes better passes and decisions with the puck. Coyle is good on the boards but he rarely makes anything happen when he actually gets the puck.

E: Did I mention the game is played with a puck. C-c-combo.

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Not a big issue to me , but I do think that Nino should be rewarded for his superior play by playing on the second line.

It is a nice problem to have, deciding which of the players should be on the third line. Getting Moulson definitely makes our overall forward lines stronger. Would rather see Haula than Brodziak centering the third line. Cooke and Nino are plenty tough enough to make for his lack thereof , and Haula's offensive skills would make that line an offensive threat, as well as still being defensively responsible. The fourth line with Brodziak would be very gritty. Would prefer to see Fontaine out there instead of Heatley ... he deserves it.

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I think our best lineup would probably be...


Parise-Granlund-Pominville
Moulson-Koivu-Coyle
Cooke-Haula-Niederriter
Fontaine-Brodziak-McCormick/Heatley


Suter-Brodin
Spurgeon-Scandella
Stoner-Prosser

PP-1

Parise-Granlund-Pominville

Suter-Spurgeon

PP-2

Moulson-Koivu-Nino

Brodin-Scandella

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Have to disagree there. I haven't seen much of a chemistry between two and Nino is atleast as good maintaining the puck; he makes better passes and decisions with the puck. Coyle is good on the boards but he rarely makes anything happen when he actually gets the puck.

E: Did I mention the game is played with a puck. C-c-combo.
I agree that Nino is at least good with the puck along the boards. He also has an ability to actually make things happen when he has the puck and is quite a good passer.

Coyle is getting there, but not there yet. His decisions with the puck tend to be more timid and, imo, he does not see the ice as well as Nino - He's decent, just not as good as Nino.

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I think the rationale is Coyle is a better possession player than Nino. we want to be a possession team so...Idea is to have a solid possession guy on a line with Mikko so Mikko is less afraid to "cheat".
If your takling possession, in the terms of corsi/fenwick, Nino is a much better possesion player than Coyle.

If your talking possession, as being able to hold the puck in the offensive zone without doing anything with it, sure Coyle may have a leg up there. But give me the guy thats consistently putting the puck on net from dangerous areas.

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