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03-27-2014, 08:19 PM
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Congrats on bending Holland over in this trade.

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03-27-2014, 09:21 PM
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He reminds me a bit of Legwand in how he skates.

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03-28-2014, 03:23 AM
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Nice goal. He got tee'd up there pretty good by his teammate.

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Welcome to the EPGES list, Calle Jarnkrok!

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03-28-2014, 08:15 AM
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Was looking through the game pics from last night's game and the size difference in this picture cracked me up. I know it's just the angle of the picture.


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A perfect caption for that picture would be: "You mad bro?"

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03-28-2014, 11:10 AM
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What a fantastic trade. This is a true bright spot for David Poile after three years of complete failure. Calle is already a 2nd line center on this team. He possesses the puck better than 95% of the forwards. He goes to the gaps on the ice. He plays smart two way hockey. I love his game.

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03-28-2014, 11:42 AM
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Say what you will about Poile signing and drafting forwards, but he has pulled two incredible trades to get Calle and Forsberg. I'm almost being drawn to wanting to keep him after this.

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03-28-2014, 11:56 AM
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Say what you will about Poile signing and drafting forwards, but he has pulled two incredible trades to get Calle and Forsberg. I'm almost being drawn to wanting to keep him after this.
still uncertain on MDZ trade - I understand it though
Witt for a 1st, Gaustad for a 1st,

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03-28-2014, 01:01 PM
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Check out the pass with 6,30 left of the third! He shows great vision and quick thinking. We can stop discuss IF he fits in the NHL.
He´got it!

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03-28-2014, 01:40 PM
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Check out the pass with 6,30 left of the third! He shows great vision and quick thinking. We can stop discuss IF he fits in the NHL.
He´got it!
I'm watching the replay right now ... agreed, filthy pass ... was with 6:50 left, Smith should've scored

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03-28-2014, 03:54 PM
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And, for the Red Wings, even with all the great contributions they are getting from young players this season, they may soon rue the day they surrendered Jarnkrok.

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03-28-2014, 04:31 PM
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I'm so glad he was developed under the Red Wings system and not the Predators. An actual scorer for once until he gets Trotzed

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03-28-2014, 08:55 PM
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03-28-2014, 09:12 PM
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I'm so glad he was developed under the Red Wings system and not the Predators. An actual scorer for once until he gets Trotzed
Kid with some talent comes in and Trotz puts him in a lot of situations. And this is how the Trotz bashers will try to still bash Trotz from it

Jarnonk has been good from what I've seen. But to expect him to keep up a better scoring pace than he was in the AHL is getting ahead of yourselves...


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03-28-2014, 09:23 PM
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I'm so glad he was developed under the Red Wings system and not the Predators. An actual scorer for once until he gets Trotzed
What? If anything, Trotz is gushing over the kid. Last night when he was asked about Jarnkrok's first NHL goal Trotz only wanted to talk about how good defensively the kid is.

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03-28-2014, 09:41 PM
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What? If anything, Trotz is gushing over the kid. Last night when he was asked about Jarnkrok's first NHL goal Trotz only wanted to talk about how good defensively the kid is.
Which is his problem he only notices how players perform defensively. Remember how hot Smith was in his first few games. What happened when his defensive play started to lack. Wait until this kid makes a bad defensive decision he will get benched.

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Which is his problem he only notices how players perform defensively. Remember how hot Smith was in his first few games. What happened when his defensive play started to lack. Wait until this kid makes a bad defensive decision he will get benched.
He already has.

Watch the NHL. Rookies taking the NHL by storm is commonplace -- I could make list 100 people long that scored great their first 10-15 games in the NHL only to come back down to earth. Craig Smith was not a good scorer in the NCAA. Trotz if anything should be applauded for getting him where he is today.

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03-28-2014, 09:54 PM
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Dulz, that simply is not true.

Smith played 2 years of college hockey and he was a PPG player his sophomore year, and was so effective he was invited to the USA world championship team where he had 3g3a in 7 games. Poile and Trotz were practically dancing for joy when they got him to sign and forgo his last 2 years of college, and it wasn't because he was a great defensive center in college.

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03-28-2014, 10:04 PM
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Trotz is not the reason for Smith's scoring... We brought him over from college because of his play and especially scoring during the world championships on top of his college play

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03-28-2014, 10:05 PM
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Dulz, that simply is not true.

Smith played 2 years of college hockey and he was a PPG player his sophomore year, and was so effective he was invited to the USA world championship team where he had 3g3a in 7 games. Poile and Trotz were practically dancing for joy when they got him to sign and forgo his last 2 years of college, and it wasn't because he was a great defensive center in college.
Craig Smith was an overage college player. He was 20 years old as a "freshman" because of his time in the USHL. He scored 8 goals as 20 year old.

For comparison,
Parise put up 61p in 39g as 18 year old.
St Louis 51p in 33g as 18 year old
List goes on and on.

Yes Poile was excited for Craig Smith, but that goes to our lack of talent in the system, not the overwhelming talent that Craig Smith was.

He's turned out well under Trotz.

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03-28-2014, 10:20 PM
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Debating with you is like debating with a circle. Round and round it goes. Facts are meaningless.

You cannot arbitrarily dismiss statistics because it doesn't suit your point. St. Louis is a potential HOF. Parise is headed down that path as well. Your comparables are asinine. You said Smith couldn't score in college, and yet he did. He earned his role as a freshman (overager, true) that made it to the final four. He became a scoring leader the following year. HE then proceeded to excel at the Worlds against professional players with only a NCAA experience. Trotz and Poile were smitten with him.

In other words, he did well in the USHL, did well in the NCAA, did well in the IIHF tournaments, got signed in Nashville, started out the season on fire, and then ....

Well he ended up his first year playing on the fourth line. Essentially stayed on the third/fourth line last season. Started out there this year, until he forced himself onto a scoring line with consistent goal scoring. Trotz scratched this guy for 2 games, despite production, for Rich Clune ... because he wanted more of an energy feel on the ice.

Come on man.

Not everyone is a Trotz produced stud. Not everything is on Poile. I agree, clearly, that management needs blame. So does Trotz.

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03-28-2014, 10:29 PM
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Debating with you is like debating with a circle. Round and round it goes. Facts are meaningless.
All I gave you were facts. Smith scored 8 goals as 20 year old in the NCAA. I did not say he couldn't score in college, I said he wasn't a good scorer in the college. Maybe I should clarify... He wasn't a good scorer in college compared to the other NCAA players who turned into consistent NHL scorers.. and Smith was a couple years older than them to boot.

IIHF tournaments are a joke. It's an opportunity for those guys who can't make the olympics to play for their country.. if they happen to be out of the playoffs. And then a bunch of other amateurs.

Poile's got "smitten" with a lot of people at the IIHF tournaments. Other ones: Linus Klassen, Peter Tenrat, Patrick Kjellberg, Marian Cisar, etc, etc. He puts way too much stock in that laughable tournament.

Smith was FAR from a shoe-in to become a scorer in the NHL.

No we don't have a lot of offensive studs on our roster. But that's not because of the coach...


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03-28-2014, 10:55 PM
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Here's a good NCAA stats comparable for Smith: Rich Peverley.

Even though Peverly greatly outproduced Smith as 20 yr old (we'll give Smith the benefit of doubt since it was his 1st year in that league), they had similar production as 21 yr old in college.

Peverley went on score over 20 goals once in his career, while playing 1st line minutes with Kovalchuk.

If Smiths' only year over 20 goals is this year, no telling what the Trotz kills offense crowd will do...

But wait, isn't Peverley the prime example of how Trotz kills offense? Now we are in circles.

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Here's a good NCAA stats comparable for Smith: Rich Peverley.

Even though Peverly greatly outproduced Smith as 20 yr old (we'll give Smith the benefit of doubt since it was his 1st year in that league), they had similar production as 21 yr old in college.

Peverley went on score over 20 goals once in his career, while playing 1st line minutes with Kovalchuk.

If Smiths' only year over 20 goals is this year, no telling what the Trotz kills offense crowd will do...

But wait, isn't Peverley the prime example of how Trotz kills offense? Now we are in circles.

Not saying Trotz does or does not kill offense. But your post basically said...

Peverley scored before coming to Trotz.
Peverley scored after leaving Trotz.
Trotz does not kill offense.

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