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04-07-2014, 11:48 AM
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That would be an awfully painful game to watch but I agree.
Awful, perhaps. But some solid experience for our youngsters.

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Awful, perhaps. But some solid experience for our youngsters.
I think it's often a damaging kind of experience ,to play youngsters
in roles they can't handle yet. And if they can't, you won't have anyone
on the bench you can lean on. This, I think, is especially true for D-man.
In extreme cases young D-men have developed " deer in the headlights"
syndrome, and taken years to shake it off. Some never do.

Subban can easily handle the minutes he's been playing. And Emelin
has played less games, less minutes, and is younger. So there is a lot
less reason to rest them.

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I think it's often a damaging kind of experience ,to play youngsters
in roles they can't handle yet.
And if they can't, you won't have anyone
on the bench you can lean on. This, I think, is especially true for D-man.
In extreme cases young D-men have developed " deer in the headlights"
syndrome, and taken years to shake it off. Some never do.

Subban can easily handle the minutes he's been playing. And Emelin
has played less games, less minutes, and is younger. So there is a lot
less reason to rest them.
I understand your point 100%.

However, it's the ISLANDERS. They can pull it off. Especially if you put Price in the net, and keep most of our forwards. Put them in a situation they CAN win, don't make them the sacrificial lamb.

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04-07-2014, 12:34 PM
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If Gorges is back and they beat Chicago, I want them to sit Subban, Markov and Emelin.

Put this defensive lineup:

Bouillon-Gorges
Beaulieu-Weaver
Murray-Tinordi

while Gorges needs to build some speed and get back in tempo, emelin/Markov/Subban all apparently need to rest a bit, as per their therapy day
Since everything points to Therrien leaning heavily on Weaver during the playoffs, why not rest him and play Pateryn for a few games? I get the feeling that our RD depth lies entirely with him so might as well give him a try...

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04-07-2014, 12:38 PM
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Since everything points to Therrien leaning heavily on Weaver during the playoffs, why not rest him and play Pateryn for a few games? I get the feeling that our RD depth lies entirely with him so might as well give him a try...
I wanted to have a veteran 1st pairing, and at least 1 veteran per pair also.

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If Gorges is back and they beat Chicago, I want them to sit Subban, Markov and Emelin.

Put this defensive lineup:

Bouillon-Gorges
Beaulieu-Weaver
Murray-Tinordi

while Gorges needs to build some speed and get back in tempo, emelin/Markov/Subban all apparently need to rest a bit, as per their therapy day
Swap Beaulieu with Tinordi and I agree. Beaulieu and Murray were great together before the Olympics.

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Swap Beaulieu with Tinordi and I agree. Beaulieu and Murray were great together before the Olympics.
I wasn't too sure about the rookie pairings.. So sure, fine

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I understand your point 100%.

However, it's the ISLANDERS. They can pull it off. Especially if you put Price in the net, and keep most of our forwards. Put them in a situation they CAN win, don't make them the sacrificial lamb.
True that the Isles aren't the scariest opponents. And this is a low
pressure situation for the Habs. So I wasn't predicting problems. And
Tinordi, even Beaulieu , look close to ready anyhow. I was mostly
concerned with the small chance that things go badly. And you have
no one that can or should play really big minutes. Like if gorges suddenly
has hand problems, and Weaver gets thrown out or something.

Not going to happen in any case. I'd even be surprised if Markov gets
a rest.

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I think it's often a damaging kind of experience ,to play youngsters
in roles they can't handle yet. And if they can't, you won't have anyone
on the bench you can lean on. This, I think, is especially true for D-man.
In extreme cases young D-men have developed " deer in the headlights"
syndrome, and taken years to shake it off. Some never do.

Subban can easily handle the minutes he's been playing. And Emelin
has played less games, less minutes, and is younger. So there is a lot
less reason to rest them.
For a prolonged period, I'd agree, but I fail to see how a single game will do that. Most of those deer in the headlights guy played several weeks/months/year in role higher they were supposed to.

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For a prolonged period, I'd agree, but I fail to see how a single game will do that. Most of those deer in the headlights guy played several weeks/months/year in role higher they were supposed to.
I agree that a single game without a safety net has more chance to do good than harm. It's not riskless, but the reward outweight the risks.

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Since everything points to Therrien leaning heavily on Weaver during the playoffs, why not rest him and play Pateryn for a few games? I get the feeling that our RD depth lies entirely with him so might as well give him a try...
There may be a point to that. But I don't think Weaver played every game
for Florida. IIRC he was scratched at times, and didn't play too many minutes
in others. Also got to rest during the Olympics. So he might not be as worn
down as some veterans. Also Weaver may still be learning his team-mates,
coaches, and the Habs system, so maybe he can use the experience.

( OK, so I'm assuming that they have a system. Flame away if you like.)

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I agree that a single game without a safety net has more chance to do good than harm. It's not riskless, but the reward outweight the risks.
Sure, this concern is small for one game. But as to good, I see the most
good in Emelin getting to play a lot. He looks confident right now, and we'ed
like to reinforce that. So let's have him play a ton against a weaker opponent.

He still has to catch up on development time he missed because of the
knee injury.

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If Gorges is back and they beat Chicago, I want them to sit Subban, Markov and Emelin.

Put this defensive lineup:

Bouillon-Gorges
Beaulieu-Weaver
Murray-Tinordi

while Gorges needs to build some speed and get back in tempo, emelin/Markov/Subban all apparently need to rest a bit, as per their therapy day
These games should be treated like any other game until the habs clinch home ice. That is when the habs have nothing to play for, however, the team does not look in great form despite the good results, so they need all the game time that they can get to iron out some issues.

My theory is that everyone that can play should play ( just like any other meaningful regular season game). Rest your guys if you clinch home ice before game 82.

I want to minimize the amount of games that the lightning get last line change. I think its a real key in this series.

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Gorges-Subban
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I think it's often a damaging kind of experience ,to play youngsters
in roles they can't handle yet. And if they can't, you won't have anyone
on the bench you can lean on. This, I think, is especially true for D-man.
In extreme cases young D-men have developed " deer in the headlights"
syndrome, and taken years to shake it off. Some never do.

Subban can easily handle the minutes he's been playing. And Emelin
has played less games, less minutes, and is younger. So there is a lot
less reason to rest them.
Emelin has played less in North America but he is 27 and Subban is 24. Subban is slightly more than 3 years younger.

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I think it's often a damaging kind of experience ,to play youngsters
in roles they can't handle yet. And if they can't, you won't have anyone
on the bench you can lean on. This, I think, is especially true for D-man.
In extreme cases young D-men have developed " deer in the headlights"
syndrome, and taken years to shake it off. Some never do.

Subban can easily handle the minutes he's been playing. And Emelin
has played less games, less minutes, and is younger. So there is a lot
less reason to rest them.
You do realize that the Habs would like to have home ice advantage in the first round of the playoffs, don't you?

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Georges and Weise both back against Chicago, per JdeM
Thanks for this report.

Gorges IN
Weise IN


I hope they're not rushing since there's still a bit of time left before plaoyffs to heal/rest. But, still...this is great news...more depth for our top 4 D...and more depth for our 4th line.


Now we're just waiting for Moen and Prust to heal.



p.s.: get one more win and rest our Subban, Markov, Weaver, Emelin,etc.
(play Beaulieu a bit or more of Tinordi, and heck...play Drewiskie ...in order to rest our D core).

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There may be a point to that. But I don't think Weaver played every game
for Florida. IIRC he was scratched at times, and didn't play too many minutes
in others. Also got to rest during the Olympics. So he might not be as worn
down as some veterans. Also Weaver may still be learning his team-mates,
coaches, and the Habs system, so maybe he can use the experience.

( OK, so I'm assuming that they have a system. Flame away if you like.)
Good points however considering his age, his size, and most importantly how he is being used here (PK + shot blocking) he could probably benefit from a little rest. And I believe the idea is NOT to wait until guys are too worn down because at that point I don't think 1 or 2 games will make any difference

We are going to need him daisy-fresh to block those one-timers from Stamkos on the PP

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You do realize that the Habs would like to have home ice advantage in the first round of the playoffs, don't you?
If we do win next game, we will have almost secured home ice for good.

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Nice having tons of depth going into the playoffs and won't have guys like Blunden, Dumont and Armstrong playing like we did last year lol

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There may be a point to that. But I don't think Weaver played every game
for Florida. IIRC he was scratched at times, and didn't play too many minutes
in others. Also got to rest during the Olympics. So he might not be as worn
down as some veterans. Also Weaver may still be learning his team-mates,
coaches, and the Habs system, so maybe he can use the experience.

( OK, so I'm assuming that they have a system. Flame away if you like.)
I confess that at the time Weaver was acquired I wasn't even aware of his existence.

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I confess that at the time Weaver was acquired I wasn't even aware of his existence.
I suspect nobody here knew of him, myself included.

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I suspect nobody here knew of him, myself included.
Really? I recall being very impressed with him (in a hateful way) when the Panthers played Montreal the last two years. He was aggressive and engaged all night. He is actually one of the few Panthers I remember well.

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I knew who he was, and knew he was Gorges' replacement before we even knew Gorges was injured for sure... he was that kind of D. He's overachieving offensively though: 7 points in 14 games, more than he had in 55 games in Florida this year. Tremendous third pairing guy.

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Really? I recall being very impressed with him (in a hateful way) when the Panthers played Montreal the last two years. He was aggressive and engaged all night. He is actually one of the few Panthers I remember well.
Yep, pretty much the same here but I thought he was in his late twenties for some reason.

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