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08-12-2005, 11:57 AM
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Trade in the works?

There has to be if you think about it. Assuming we roll with this lineup, Belanger, TK, and Flinn are left out in the cold. Is Belanger on a 2 way deal? He'll never pass through waivers. Why pay TK an NHL salary when he's in Manchester?

I dont see how someone can not be dealt. Maybe it's just me?

Frolov / Demitra / Bure
Brown / Conroy / Roenick
Luc / Armstrong / Camm
Cowan / Avery / Klatt

Norstrom / Dempsey
Miller / Gleason
Visnovsky / Corvo

Garon
LaBarbera


Belanger, TK and Flinn are the healthy scratches or in Manchester?

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08-12-2005, 12:02 PM
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Putting Bure on the top line just makes me sad.

These are the lines:

Frolov/Roenick/Demitra
Brown/Conroy/Bure
Robitaille/Armstrong/Cammy
Cowan/Avery/Klatt

Keep Klatt and trade Belanger.

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08-12-2005, 12:08 PM
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Keep Klatt and trade Belanger.
Dave, you're the first guy I hear he wants to see EBell traded...

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There has to be if you think about it. Assuming we roll with this lineup, Belanger, TK, and Flinn are left out in the cold. Is Belanger on a 2 way deal? He'll never pass through waivers. Why pay TK an NHL salary when he's in Manchester?

I dont see how someone can not be dealt. Maybe it's just me?


Just because you are not on the Ice doesn't mean you are not on the team. Guys like Cowan, TK, or Flinn (if he even makes the team) are often healthy scraches. So you need someone to sit around up in the box.

I don't think Eric is going to be scratched instead of armstrong...

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I'll float this here to see what y'all think:

Belanger to Ottawa for Smolinski.

Ottawa is looking for cap space, and Smoke makes three times as much as Belanger. The ydon't need a top 3 center, and Belanger could easily fill out their 4th line as an energy player/ face off specialist.

We get a player who fis in well with our cap space, is in the last year of his deal, and is a considerable upgrade for our third line. Smolinski is a much better defensive player than Belanger, more physical, and provides a little more offense.

Realistically, we have very few forwards who can kill penalites effectively:

Conroy, Demitra, and Frolov (when signed)

Not one of the following is an even average PK'er:
Roenick
Armstrong
Belanger (yes, he sucks on the PK)
Avery
Cowan
Brown
Cammalleri
Robitaille
Klatt
Bure
Kostopolous
Flinn

Who the hell is going to kill penalties?

On paper, this may be the worst defensive group in the NHL, possibly save the NYR.

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08-12-2005, 12:11 PM
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There are other possibilities:

1. Frolov may not sign.

2. Someone might get injured in preseason and have to go on IR.

3. There are rumors that Klatt may not play.

4. Cammy might start in Manchester.

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08-12-2005, 12:50 PM
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By adding soft / small forwards: Demitra, Bure, Cammalleri, and Robitaille, theres no way we can scratch Cowan. The Kings really need some size and toughness up front.

I don't see how Belanger AND Armstrong BOTH make the team.

Maybe the Kings are getting into a position to make a trade, when more players become available. There will definitely be some available when more teams get into cap trouble ove the next few weeks.

I wonder if the Flyers would make Handzus available? They still have cap problems. Too bad Gagne accepted 2 mil and Esche accepted 1 mil. I thought they were both worth more than that. I TRULY wonder if the Flyers circumvented the rules and paid some money to these guys under the table.


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We have too many centers, and too many rw's. We need to trade someone.

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Not one of the following is an even average PK'er:

Brown
Cammalleri
Kostopolous
I'll point out that all three of these guys spent time killing penalties in Manchester last season. TK is the best of the three on the PK...

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08-12-2005, 01:25 PM
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Only if Frolov signs. If he does, then the Kings have 15 forwards. If not;

Centers:
Demitra
Roenick
Conroy
Belanger
Armstrong

LW:
Robitaille
Brown
Cowan
Avery
Flinn

RW:
Bure
Cammalleri
Klatt
Kostopoulos

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08-12-2005, 01:54 PM
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I'll point out that all three of these guys spent time killing penalties in Manchester last season. TK is the best of the three on the PK...

How did they perform? Are they ready for that role in the NHL?

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How did they perform? Are they ready for that role in the NHL?
I think any of the three would be fine in a PK role in the NHL...I'm pretty much expecting to see TK used in a PK role on a regular basis in L.A. this season...

Also, during pre-season, I won't be surprised in the least to see Brown and TK skating on wings for Cammalleri or Lehoux...

The Kings also recently signed Jeff Giuliano, the best PK forward in Manchester for the past two seasons to a two-year deal.


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There are other possibilities:
3. There are rumors that Klatt may not play.\

what rumor is this?

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From my conversations, this is how I see it panning out...

If Frolov signs, Bure is going to force one of Cammy, Belanger or TK out of the picture. Cammy is going to be given every opportunity to make the NHL roster this year in training camp. If Cammy does, they will have to do something with Belanger and TK. If he doesn't, Cammy is going to be moved to a team that has an opening and TK will likely be the healthy scratch.

If Frolov doesn't sign, same scenario except that there is no healthy scratch out of that group. So, in other words, if Cammy does not make the opening night roster, he's going to be the one moved.

If injuries to a forward(s) occur during camp, then all bets are off.

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what rumor is this?
He may retire.

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From my conversations, this is how I see it panning out...

If Frolov signs, Bure is going to force one of Cammy, Belanger or TK out of the picture. Cammy is going to be given every opportunity to make the NHL roster this year in training camp. If Cammy does, they will have to do something with Belanger and TK. If he doesn't, Cammy is going to be moved to a team that has an opening and TK will likely be the healthy scratch.

If Frolov doesn't sign, same scenario except that there is no healthy scratch out of that group. So, in other words, if Cammy does not make the opening night roster, he's going to be the one moved.

If injuries to a forward(s) occur during camp, then all bets are off.
I'd much rather move Belanger.....

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08-12-2005, 03:24 PM
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The rumor regarding Klatt was that he was upset about the CBA and may not return. He is the King's union rep and apparently was against ratification.

Also a week or two ago, when Klatt was mistakenly listed as a UFA on several websites, someone at lgk e-mailed Tim Lieweke about Klatt's status. He claimed Lieweke responded by saying that Klatt was signed but may not play this year.

Again, it's just speculation.

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Why not move the older Derek Armstrong and retain all three of Belanger, Cammalleri and Kostopoulos?
I don't understand why they would be so quick to move Cammalleri. And IF that does happen, I'd like to remind you all of another smallish player that was given up early due to his size. Daniel Briere. The Phoenix Coyotes made a huge mistake trading him for the bigger Chris Gratton. That is a trade Phoenix regrets making.

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Why not move the older Derek Armstrong and retain all three of Belanger, Cammalleri and Kostopoulos?
I don't understand why they would be so quick to move Cammalleri. And IF that does happen, I'd like to remind you all of another smallish player that was given up early due to his size. Daniel Briere. The Phoenix Coyotes made a huge mistake trading him for the bigger Chris Gratton. That is a trade Phoenix regrets making.
Hell we could move Armstrong or Klatt it wouldn't matter to me, but I say we keep that youth.

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There is a disagreement between Cammy and some of the people in the organization. We may want to keep Cammy because he is a good young prospect, but sometimes you have to cut off the limb to save the body. Cammy's trade value is at an all-time high right now and that is being seriously considered. Not to say it WILL happen, but it is more likely now than probably ever before.

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From my conversations, this is how I see it panning out...

If Frolov signs, Bure is going to force one of Cammy, Belanger or TK out of the picture. Cammy is going to be given every opportunity to make the NHL roster this year in training camp. If Cammy does, they will have to do something with Belanger and TK. If he doesn't, Cammy is going to be moved to a team that has an opening and TK will likely be the healthy scratch.

If Frolov doesn't sign, same scenario except that there is no healthy scratch out of that group. So, in other words, if Cammy does not make the opening night roster, he's going to be the one moved.

If injuries to a forward(s) occur during camp, then all bets are off.

I agree 100%. I would just add Armstrong to your list of: Cammalleri, Belanger and Kostopoulos.

I think Cammalleri should make the top 6 and flourish...but its almost more up to Andy Murray than even Cammalleri himself!

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They better not move Cammy, that would be stupid. It's already stupid that Val Bure is gonna take a spot from either Brown or Cammy. And where does TK and Flinn fit in? I'm already pissed and Andy Murray hasn't even coached a game yet...ugh....

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I find it to be frustrating when this is coming from an organization that wants to build from within, and when they have a prospect who is on the verge of developing into a decent player, they consider moving him rather than one of the older players on their last legs.
Cammalleri is supposed to be used in a top six role. You don't use a player like Comrie, Brendan Morrison, Briere, etc. (all players under 6'0) in a checking line role.
They have committed four seasons of development to Cammalleri. IF they were to move him to acquire a significant impact player, then I would understand a trade, and it would enable Cammalleri to thrive in a scoring role with an organization who would appreciate his talent and skill.

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I find it to be frustrating when this is coming from an organization that wants to build from within, and when they have a prospect who is on the verge of developing into a decent player, they consider moving him rather than one of the older players on their last legs.
Cammalleri is supposed to be used in a top six role. You don't use a player like Comrie, Brendan Morrison, Briere, etc. (all players under 6'0) in a checking line role.
They have committed six seasons of development to Cammalleri. IF they were to move him to acquire a significant impact player, then I would understand a trade, and it would enable Cammalleri to thrive in a scoring role with an organization who would appreciate his talent and skill.

Exactly. Every move this organization has made this summer has gone agaisnt everything Leiwekee said at the press conference. The lied in the past, then admitted to lying, and then continue to lie and make poor decisions.

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They have committed six seasons of development to Cammalleri.
I'm confused about the six seasons...

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