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08-13-2005, 12:25 PM
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I'd do Hossa for Mayers straight up personally. A change of scenery might do some good for Hossa who still has top 6 potential. With the likely arrival of possible wingers like Plekanec, Perezhogin and Higgins to go along with Zednik, Ryder, Bulis and Kovalev, there is absolutely no room left for him. Mayers is the missing piece to me for the Habs up front. Big, fast and tough, something that is a rarity on the Habs roster. This is a case where both teams have too much of something the other team needs, so I think it would be a very good fit.
You'd trade a potential top 6 forward for a 4th-liner?

I like Mayers, but that's way too much....if we trade Hossa or Plekanec, i'd hope its for a defensive dman like Witt or Salei, but not Mayers. Plus, he's been injured lately too, so that drops his appeal for me.

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You'd trade a potential top 6 forward for a 4th-liner?

I like Mayers, but that's way too much....if we trade Hossa or Plekanec, i'd hope its for a defensive dman like Witt or Salei, but not Mayers. Plus, he's been injured lately too, so that drops his appeal for me.
Mayers skates and plays well enough to be on a 3rd line in a checking role, ideally alongside Bonk and Bulis. That's where I see him fit in Montreal. I wouldn't want to trade for Mayers and have him play 8-10 min. a game.

Hossa has top-6 potential, true enough, but his likeliness to reach his full potential, especially in Montreal, is declining by the minute. Hossa has almost no trade value and if he doesn't make the team, we'll be losing him through waivers for nothing, hence the proposal. Might as well send him to a team that actually needs his skillset. Like I said, picks can be added or swapped to even it out.

Witt or Salei? You make it sound like Hossa or Plekanec hold enough value to get a top-4 Dman. I doubt it honestly. Not on their own anyway.

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08-13-2005, 05:03 PM
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Mayers skates and plays well enough to be on a 3rd line in a checking role, ideally alongside Bonk and Bulis. That's where I see him fit in Montreal. I wouldn't want to trade for Mayers and have him play 8-10 min. a game.
He is a 3rd liner, he's also been the fastest player on the Blues since he's been here.

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Bulis is one of the fastest habs player.....that doesn't mean he is good

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Bulis is one of the fastest habs player.....that doesn't mean he is good
Ok, what's your point? I never said he was good anyway (He's a good check-liner). Speed like that is a great and unusual asset for a 3rd line checker.

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NO..no spots
Yet you want to sign a washed up top 6 forward whos been on the decline? We need speed and grit and Mayers has both. I would take him any time for Hossa and I think it would be a good deal for both teams. Add in Travis Green and we're already a tougher team.

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top 6 in decline? who? If ur taking about Selanne..we are taking about a goal who scored 25 or around that much goals twice in the last 3 season..he just hated Granato.

We barely have spot for Hossa,Higgins,Plekanec and Perezhogin..don't want to add Travis Green...or Mayers or wtv else u have in mind...

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08-13-2005, 07:45 PM
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Bulis is one of the fastest habs player.....that doesn't mean he is good
Maybe you should try watching a bit more of Bulis. He is extremely good in his role, which is a 3rd line checker. Not every NHLer is destined to be a scorer you know, and every team needs a Bulis type player, and for that matter a Mayers type, ideally. That's my belief anyway.

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08-13-2005, 08:35 PM
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I have a feeling that Mayers will get traded since he is asking for more than his qualifier.

If the Blues do a trade with the Canadians, the Blues would require a young, inexpensive forward with plenty of speed and a decent scoring touch.
do you really think that Mayers could return a "young inexpensive forward with plenty of speed and a scoring touch?" I think you'd be hard pressed to get a 3rd rounder for Mayers.

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do you really think that Mayers could return a "young inexpensive forward with plenty of speed and a scoring touch?" I think you'd be hard pressed to get a 3rd rounder for Mayers.

Oh I agree 100%. I'm surprised some Canadian fans even want Mayers.

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08-13-2005, 10:36 PM
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Oh I agree 100%. I'm surprised some Canadian fans even want Mayers.
Same here, I'm amazed.
We have better 3rd liners than him already.

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08-14-2005, 12:11 AM
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It's a pretty good idea... I'd be tempted just based on the players involved.

But looking past that to asset management... well... it kind of depends. Mayers was just a month or so from unrestricted free agency, and if he signs his qualifier he'll be UFA next year. He's not all that unique or valuable. True, we need a player like that, though. Should we pay a young cheap prospect, even a surplus one like Plekanec or Hossa to get him? Or could Plekanec or Hossa be worth even more later in the season when it comes to teams trying to dump contracts or position themselves for next year's cap? Like Balej for Kovalev last year. Or what are the waiver rules in the new CBA and will they make Plekanec or Hossa completely worthless to us, and therefore much more tradeable?

A lot of things I would want to consider first. But I like the thought.

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08-14-2005, 08:35 AM
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Same here, I'm amazed.
We have better 3rd liners than him already.
We do have better 3rd liners than him, but we don't have 3rd liners LIKE him, which is the point of this proposal. The closest thing the Habs have is Begin, and I think anybody who thinks Begin will be able to carry the load of physical play and toughness up front all by himself is kidding himself (that's if he can just remain healthy for most of the year). Sure you could argue that putting Sundstrom instead of Mayers alongside Bulis and Bonk gives us a more talented 3rd line, but is it necessarily better? I think not.

Players like Mayers are pretty worthless to a team like St. Louis, but are invaluable to a soft and finesse team like Montreal, just like Begin became an instant hero when he arrived here, since he was pretty much the only banger we had. Mayers is in the same mold. Fast, hits hard, good checker and PK specialist and can drop the gloves. This is EXACTLY what Montreal lacks up front, and I'd go as far as saying it's IMO the ONLY thing Montreal lacks up front.

Maybe some can disagree with the price, but what amazes me is Habs fans that can't realize just how valuable a player like Mayers would be for the Habs.


BG, you bring up good points. Truth is, I have little faith in Hossa as it is, and although I think he can still develop into a top-6 winger, I doubt he'll ever be able to shake the consistency problems, at least in Montreal (maybe the pressure here's too much for him). Like I said above, some might disagree with the price, but since I see Mayers as THE missing piece on our bottom 2 lines, I must say that I would have no problem overpaying for him.

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08-14-2005, 08:49 AM
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I'd trade Sundstrom for Mayers. But would St Louis accept?

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I don't think plekanec has a whole lot of trade value right now, but the Habs aren't likely to give up on him before even getting him in the lineup for part of a season.

Hossa has tools, but he is just not going to be able to showcase them in Montreal. With Perezhogin, Higgins and Plekanec on their way up (With Locke & Kostitsyn presumably waiting in the wings) and Kovalev, Zednik, Ryder and Bulis already there, Hossa just doesn't have enough room to breathe.

Do I do this deal? Maybe, but I might want some conditional pick dependant on how well Hossa performs judging on past history for ex-habs. Something like 15goals or 30 points = 5th rounder, 20G/40P = 4th rounder, 25/50 = 3rd rounder, 30/60 = 2nd rounder, 35/70 = 1st rounder

Likelyhood of getting more than a 5th/4th rounder is LOW, but I wouldn't want to be the GM who allowed another player to flourish elsewhere in order to get a serviceable grinder...

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08-14-2005, 12:28 PM
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We do have better 3rd liners than him, but we don't have 3rd liners LIKE him
And we dont need a 3rd line player like him. Players like him play on the fourth line.

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Sundstrum for Mayers its OK for me

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Not me, I'd rather have Sundstrom playing with Bonk and Bulis.

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Sundstrum for Mayers its OK for me

I approve too.

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What if the Blues moved Salvador along with Mayers? would that net a quality forward? I dont even know a name to throw out because Rosters are changing so much.

Would you guys give a good forward for those two?

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I'd trade Sundstrom for Mayers. But would St Louis accept?
They would if I sat in Larry Pleau's chair...

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I can just about guarantee that the Blues would happily trade Jamal Mayers for either Plekanec or Hossa. Mayers would add speed and grit to the Habs' lineup, and Plekanec/Hossa would give the Blues a scoring forward to try alongside Doug Weight (with Dallas Drake) or Petr Cajanek (with Keith Tkachuk).

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Let me get this strait. Dany Markov gets traded for a 4th rounder, Roenick for a 3rd rounder and Jamal Mayers would get traded for a prospect that we spent about 5 years training? Gimme a break. Jamal Myers is not worth half of what Dany Markov is worth. For those saying they underpaid for Markov, there are plenty of FA still availliable that would give the same dimensions that Mayers would give and would not cost a thing.

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Mayers just got a 2 year contract from the Blues per one of the employees at the Post Dispatch messageboard. No word on salary yet though.



Ok the salary is $900,000


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Not me, I'd rather have Sundstrom playing with Bonk and Bulis.
Yes and thats the kind of great thinking that Savard's team used. Remember those teams that were so tough to play against? Those team that showed so much energy and protected their goaltenders? If you dont, its because it never happened. Mayers can add team toughness, Sundstrom adds nothing thats not already on that line, except very slow skating.

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Let me get this strait. Dany Markov gets traded for a 4th rounder, Roenick for a 3rd rounder and Jamal Mayers would get traded for a prospect that we spent about 5 years training? Gimme a break. Jamal Myers is not worth half of what Dany Markov is worth. For those saying they underpaid for Markov, there are plenty of FA still availliable that would give the same dimensions that Mayers would give and would not cost a thing.
1. The trade proposal was made by a respected Habs fan, who gave a lot of very good reasons why Mayers is a good fit for the Montreal organization. I couldn't believe it, either, but if a respected Habs' fan wants to see his team acquire Mayers, and thinks the bleu, blanc et rouge is willing to offer Hossa or Plekanec for him, who am I to say, "no thanks?"

2. The FA's available "that would give the same dimensions as Mayers" will not come for free, nor would they "not cost a thing" as you suggest above. Mayers just signed a QO for about $800K; I doubt that any still-unsigned FA who can give you 10-15 goals, versatility (can play either wing or center), speed, and grit will come that cheaply.

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