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03-11-2014, 09:24 PM
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It is a win. So move on to the next game. Pens played good. Not great. Bylsma can't elevate this team to a crisp exceptional performance. He thinks wins are what the measurement is. He is correct in the regular season. Neal is just a plug right now and he is pretty much coasting at times. So much for the next great power forward. Gibbons is just so weak and plays. That is Dan for ya.

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Eh. It was stupid to play Iggy on his off wing. But Stempniak just fits with Sid better. Has the wheels. And makes the little plays to let Sid do his thing. Iggy is a better fit in Boston.

I thought Despres was so-so. So I can't fault DB for his limited minutes in the third.

But I just don't know what to make of Geno under DB. I mean, I'm not sure it's a good thing longterm to not trust the guy late in games.
How do you know he fits with Sid better? We never saw Iggy with Sid except for a couple of playoff games. That's an absurd statement.

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03-11-2014, 09:26 PM
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Caps fans are comparing him to Kolvachuk and Malkin. I just don't see it. He looks weak and slow. A long way from being an impact player.
He wasn't an impact player in these games, that's for sure, but he looked better in this one than last night. And he's definitely not slow.

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Of all the dumb things Bylsma did last year, this was the worst.

Yeah let's change a PP that's running at 35% and then not touch it when it's running at 0%. Makes sense.
Perfect sense.

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It's looking like a solid top 6 acquisition. If he has a few years in him playing at this level, I'd sign him for Sid's wing. And then alot of our troubles up front are solved. Beau with Geno and Neal. Dupes on the third line.
I don't get this at all. Stempniak has looked good there, but come on. He's far from the long term answer for Crosby's wing. He's a 2nd/3rd line tweener, and I guess we see it differently, but I kind of wanted to get Sid a legit top six guy and be done with filling that spot with someone who's better off on the third line.

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Caps fans are comparing him to Kolvachuk and Malkin. I just don't see it. He looks weak and slow. A long way from being an impact player.
He's just too skinny right now. He needs to add on a good 20 lbs of muscle. We'll see. I know he has the talent, it's just whether he can put it together.

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03-11-2014, 09:28 PM
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it's not blind, unfortunately. I can actually watch his decisions unfold.
I didn't realize that I needed the sarcasm smilie.

Bylsma is a buffoon. Just when you think he can't do something dumber is precisely when he does. Happens every playoffs since this became his team. See no reason to think it won't happen again.

Maybe Stempniak will be enough to help Sid against even the best defensive teams (contrary to popular myth, Guerin never was that but instead, like Dupuis, just enough against the lesser teams).

Maybe Geno will go God mode in spite of Bylsma, because I know it won't be because of anything good he does.

Maybe Fleury won't **** the bed.

Pretty much our only hopes. Not system. Not structure. Not how the coach uses players or adjusts.

Just all of that above . . . where our best hopes are Sid making due with less, Geno making due with one arm tied behind his back, and Fleury being a few dimes short of a quarter mentally . . . and somehow managing to compete, truly compete, for a cup.

I'll hope, but I've seen this play before.

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It's looking like a solid top 6 acquisition. If he has a few years in him playing at this level, I'd sign him for Sid's wing. And then alot of our troubles up front are solved. Beau with Geno and Neal. Dupes on the third line.
Wow. Settle down there horsy. He's been alright but realistically he's not a fix for the top 6 at all. If anything he's stop gap until Bennett develops or do find a fix.

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So Vitale was scratched for Gibbons?
I don't like Vitale being scratched either, but considering Bylsma's rule of not scratching Pyatt/Glass/Adams, Gibbons is still much better than Vitale. Gibby made the 3rd line effective.

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So much head fake on that Crosby goal.
love how he basically doesn't look at the net at all during that play.

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I don't get this at all. Stempniak has looked good there, but come on. He's far from the long term answer for Crosby's wing. He's a 2nd/3rd line tweener, and I guess we see it differently, but I kind of wanted to get Sid a legit top six guy and be done with filling that spot with someone who's better off on the third line.
He's a better fit in the top 6 than Dupuis. Plays a similar game as Sid/Kuni. Has some skill. Speed. RHS. And still has a few years of good hockey in him.

We've been looking for that fit for years. He's not Corey Perry. But I'll take him as long as the rest of our lineup is filled out properly. Either a better third line center or more depth around Sutter.

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But, whether he lives or not, none of this really matters until the playoffs come. Some good things this game, but even that really doesn't matter.
Well you could argue none of the rest of the 17 games matter... which is probably true. For us, it's all about going in hot and getting the chemistry right.

Which is why, unlike a bunch of people here, I'm certainly fine with mixing the lines up in the last few weeks. Let's see where people fit and how to go in to the postseason. Even Stemps, who's had a great couple of games on Sid's wing... I'd like to try BB on Sid's wing and see who fits better there, Stemp or BB.

We're easily in a top two spot, let's try and iron out the details now, as it should be. I'm still not sure where to play BB, but we need to see how he's playing after so much time off. I'm not sure I've ever liked him on the LW, though he's gotten limited time there.

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I don't get this at all. Stempniak has looked good there, but come on. He's far from the long term answer for Crosby's wing. He's a 2nd/3rd line tweener, and I guess we see it differently, but I kind of wanted to get Sid a legit top six guy and be done with filling that spot with someone who's better off on the third line.



He's just too skinny right now. He needs to add on a good 20 lbs of muscle. We'll see. I know he has the talent, it's just whether he can put it together.
I'm not sure that Stempniak brings you anything more than Guerin or Dupuis. Progress over Kobasew and Gibbons, to be sure. He'll help Sid compete against lesser defensive teams in the playoffs. Against Boston or a top defensive team from the west. Well, it's not as if Guerin or Dupuis ever helped Sid compete against THOSE types of teams. So, yeah, jury still out until that day of reckoning comes (assuming Pens don't flame out before then).

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I didn't realize that I needed the sarcasm smilie.

Bylsma is a buffoon. Just when you think he can't do something dumber is precisely when he does. Happens every playoffs since this became his team. See no reason to think it won't happen again.

Maybe Stempniak will be enough to help Sid against even the best defensive teams (contrary to popular myth, Guerin never was that but instead, like Dupuis, just enough against the lesser teams).

Maybe Geno will go God mode in spite of Bylsma, because I know it won't be because of anything good he does.

Maybe Fleury won't **** the bed.

Pretty much our only hopes. Not system. Not structure. Not how the coach uses players or adjusts.

Just all of that above . . . where our best hopes are Sid making due with less, Geno making due with one arm tied behind his back, and Fleury being a few dimes short of a quarter mentally . . . and somehow managing to compete, truly compete, for a cup.

I'll hope, but I've seen this play before.
Come on, dude, you know me better than that. I knew you were being sarcastic. I just made a joke off of it.

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Wow. Settle down there horsy. He's been alright but realistically he's not a fix for the top 6 at all. If anything he's stop gap until Bennett develops or do find a fix.
Calling him depth on a team filled out with garbage is just incorrect. For the time being, he's the best option there. Bennett never looked any better in his short stint with Sid.

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I doubt BB even gets the chance if Stemps keeps playing well. He's only had 1 real practice.

But thats fine though, 1 less thing for Bylsma to worry about. Bennett can slot in on L3 RW at the very least and for a guy that hasn't played almost at all this year, i'm fine with it.

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+ Stempniak: Looks like I was wrong about him. He does more than I thought he would. He can catch a pass and dish one back, something that Dupuis can't always do. That creates has much space for Sid than good board play (which he can also provide). I hope he can keep it up.

+ Sid: Nice goal, good game in general.

+ MAF: If that MAF shows up in the playoffs, we might have a chance afterall.

+ Sweeping the Caps: Screw those *****es. Hopefully we can do the same to Philly this weekend.

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Well you could argue none of the rest of the 17 games matter... which is probably true. For us, it's all about going in hot and getting the chemistry right.

Which is why, unlike a bunch of people here, I'm certainly fine with mixing the lines up in the last few weeks. Let's see where people fit and how to go in to the postseason. Even Stemps, who's had a great couple of games on Sid's wing... I'd like to try BB on Sid's wing and see who fits better there, Stemp or BB.

We're easily in a top two spot, let's try and iron out the details now, as it should be. I'm still not sure where to play BB, but we need to see how he's playing after so much time off. I'm not sure I've ever liked him on the LW, though he's gotten limited time there.
Bylsma won't mess with what he thinks works during the regular season.

You know, I remember last year against the Isles. After it got tight, Martin said something like 'we're playing them exactly like we played them during the regular season, and they're really stepping up'. I wish that I remembered the exact quotation, but that was the gist of it, and that right there tells you everything you need to know about why the Pens fail come post season.

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Calling him depth on a team filled out with garbage is just incorrect. For the time being, he's the best option there. Bennett never looked any better in his short stint with Sid.
Read: "short stint"

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He's a better fit in the top 6 than Dupuis. Plays a similar game as Sid/Kuni. Has some skill. Speed. RHS. And still has a few years of good hockey in him.

We've been looking for that fit for years. He's not Corey Perry. But I'll take him as long as the rest of our lineup is filled out properly. Either a better third line center or more depth around Sutter.
"Better than Dupuis" isn't exactly the criteria I'm looking for when I'm trying to find a top six winger. He's been a third liner his entire career. He's not suddenly going to become a top six forward at 31 years old just like Dupuis never did. Crosby can work with less, but he shouldn't have to.


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Which is why, unlike a bunch of people here, I'm certainly fine with mixing the lines up in the last few weeks. Let's see where people fit and how to go in to the postseason. Even Stemps, who's had a great couple of games on Sid's wing... I'd like to try BB on Sid's wing and see who fits better there, Stemp or BB.

We're easily in a top two spot, let's try and iron out the details now.
I agree with this 100%. Mix it up, see who looks best where. Jokinen, Stempniak, and Bennett can all play both wings on any of the top three lines. Let's try a few things out.

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I'm not sure that Stempniak brings you anything more than Guerin or Dupuis. Progress over Kobasew and Gibbons, to be sure. He'll help Sid compete against lesser defensive teams in the playoffs. Against Boston or a top defensive team from the west. Well, it's not as if Guerin or Dupuis ever helped Sid compete against THOSE types of teams. So, yeah, jury still out until that day of reckoning comes (assuming Pens don't flame out before then).
Stempniak made several plays the last couple games Dupuis simply cannot. Finding guys in open space. Walking a defender. Situational awareness.

He isn't ideal. But I think he's enough for Sid to dominate.

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Come on, dude, you know me better than that. I knew you were being sarcastic. I just made a joke off of it.
Ok, just wanted to be sure.

You know I'm right about the rest of what I said.

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Calling him depth on a team filled out with garbage is just incorrect. For the time being, he's the best option there. Bennett never looked any better in his short stint with Sid.
exile59 didn't call him garbage. He called him a stopgap, which is what Guerin and Dupuis really were and are, guys who do enough to help Sid against lesser teams but not against the top defensive teams. I've seen nothing to suggest that Stempniak will do that, and I won't until that time comes (assuming it does).

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