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03-12-2014, 12:05 AM
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Gionta is actually pretty good vs the Bruins.

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03-12-2014, 12:40 AM
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Pacioretty Vanek and Galchenyuk are our 3 LW's Max obviously stays with DD so where exactly are u guys expecting to see Vanek play ? nothing wrong with him playing with Pleks,hes our best center atm

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03-12-2014, 01:34 AM
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Pacioretty Vanek and Galchenyuk are our 3 LW's Max obviously stays with DD so where exactly are u guys expecting to see Vanek play ? nothing wrong with him playing with Pleks,hes our best center atm
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03-12-2014, 01:45 AM
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Yep.....

Desharnais isn't a first line center, that's the job he's getting
Bouillon isn't a Offensive/PP player, that's the job he's getting
Galchenyuk isn't a Winger or a 3th line grinder, that's the job he's getting
Gallagher isn't a 6'4", physical presence in front of the net, that's the job he's getting
Subban isn't a defensive defenceman, that's the job he's getting
Bournival isn't a 4th line player, that's the job he's getting
Briere isn't a winger or a 4th line player, that's the job he's getting

Vanek isn't a defensive minded forward, that's the job he's getting.
Well all of thats because Michel Therrien isnt a good coach at all but thats the job he's getting...

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03-12-2014, 02:23 AM
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weren't we happy that plek might finally be given an offensive weapon to work with or was that last week?

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03-12-2014, 02:28 AM
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Just saw this on TSN, Vanek seemed rather sarcastic in the interview saying he's known as a defensive specialist so that's probably why he's on the team's 'shutdown' line. Seriously though, this is why the team gets one of the league's top scorers at the deadline? To have him play on a checking line? WTF is wrong with Terrien???
I'm a Therrien basher as well, but after reading the article I think that remark was humor on Vanek's part, and that he understands that a team needs more than one good offensive line to succeed. He obviously knows that Plekanec is a really good forward so I don't think he is dissapointed in playing on that line.

This is a good time for Habs fans to relax and give it some time... Instead, we should be talking about much bigger concerns, like Bouillon being used on the second PP wave.

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03-12-2014, 03:00 AM
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I don't see a problem with him being paired with Plekanec.

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03-12-2014, 03:10 AM
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Thank god finally a winger worthy of Plekanec just change Gionta with Galchenyuk or Gallagher and I'm down with the pairing. Although Gionta was doing a decent DD impression with VANEK in Phoenix

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03-12-2014, 04:09 AM
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What's to get?

We traded for a legit NHL 1st line winger and we don't have a 1st line centre for him to play with (and haven't in at least 15 years) so do we play him with one of our #2Cs or one of our #3Cs?

I don't like the way MT is running the team but there's a lack of real options here

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03-12-2014, 04:12 AM
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You all seem to fail to realize the following point: there is a difference between facing the other teams' top forwards versus top defensemen. With BUF and NYI, Vanek had to face the other teams' top defensemen all game long all the while facing more defensive forwards. Now with Plekanec, he will probably face tougher (more offensive) forwards, but will also be free from the other teams' top defensive pair (as they will more likely shadow the Pacioretty-Desharnais line). If Plekanec and Gionta do most of the defensive play on that line, the end result is that Vanek now faces defensemen that should be "weaker" defensively (but at the detriment of a reduced offensive zone start percentage).

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03-12-2014, 04:16 AM
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Therrien isn't good with superstars?

Oh right, Sidney Crosby sucks around here.

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03-12-2014, 07:52 AM
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Reminds me of when Erik Cole joined the habs and got no PP time for a while.
To be fair, Darche had done a great job on the PP before. This coming from someone that really didn't like the re-signal of Darche. Just like Metropolit had a crazy year on the PP too. And Martin was right, Cole was never much of a PP producer.
However, I agree, when you sign some clear cut better talent, you use him.

We signed one of the most prolific goal scorers in the NHL and Therrien uses him in a more defensive role now...What a twit.

I figured Vanek was going to play on Plek's wing, but I also assumed his line would be getting more offensive opportunities.

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03-12-2014, 08:00 AM
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I'm sure that Vanek's "sarcasm" was more directed at the inane and repetitive questions hurled at him by the press. It seems that he has to answer the same question over and over again, so the twit journalists can have a sound-bite of them asking the question, with Vanek responding. You heard it when he said, "like I've said many times before ...".

In terms of playing on Plecks line, if he doesn't start scoring soon, I'm sure there will be experiments with other players. However, I think that Plecks and Gionta can help him score, and having two scoring lines, will definitely help the whole team. Sending all your offence out on one line can make it easier for strong D teams to send out their best D players, and shut down your offence.

I'm looking forward to the Boston game, and I hope he Vanek gets some points, or the Habs win. Either would be good, both would be better.

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03-12-2014, 08:05 AM
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Yep.....

Desharnais isn't a first line center, that's the job he's getting
Bouillon isn't a Offensive/PP player, that's the job he's getting
Galchenyuk isn't a Winger or a 3th line grinder, that's the job he's getting
Gallagher isn't a 6'4", physical presence in front of the net, that's the job he's getting
Subban isn't a defensive defenceman, that's the job he's getting
Bournival isn't a 4th line player, that's the job he's getting
Briere isn't a winger or a 4th line player, that's the job he's getting

Vanek isn't a defensive minded forward, that's the job he's getting.
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Amen, way to manage a team's assets...
But but... The team is winning?!

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And to think some posters joked that "Vanek would have to prove himself to Therrien". The joke got real now. What's the use of having good players if the team is mismanaged?
Yup, and I got insulted for saying so.

I've always said over the years that a good player, regardless of who coaches the Habs, loses about 20-30% of their production.

There's something about the DNA of this organization that won't allow for a regular, PPG player.

Heck, even Samsonov rebooted his career in Carolina after he left us.

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I'm at a loss for words. Just the stupidity of this coach is mind boggling.

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03-12-2014, 08:07 AM
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the chemistry is much more important postseason, and there ,100% sure i think, i see vanek one of the top scorers ,and with the Fans and "fighting"heart on the team is it possible to see the Canadians go in the SC Final!

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Therrien isn't good with superstars?

Oh right, Sidney Crosby sucks around here.
I guess that without Therrien Crosby would've been a healthy scratch just like Subban, right?

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03-12-2014, 08:10 AM
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I'm at a loss for words. Just the stupidity of this coach is mind boggling.
It's not even mind boggling anymore. It's to be expected.

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03-12-2014, 08:14 AM
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I don't see a problem with him being paired with Plekanec.
Agreed. But Pleks needs to be put in more offensive positions if it's going to work between Vanek and him. Pleks plays in every situation. This limits the ice-time Vanek and Pleks get together generating scoring chances. That's also a reason why some were complaining about Vanek's TOI in some of our latest games.

If Vanek-Pleks-Gio actually spent more time together attacking, I'm sure we'd be more satisfied.

Not convince Therrien will adjust though.

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03-12-2014, 08:16 AM
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weren't we happy that plek might finally be given an offensive weapon to work with or was that last week?
That was before people realised MT is still the head coach and not an unilingual Anglo the won't answer / understand French media questions.










On topic, I think putting Vanek with Pleks makes sense, it's the unconditionnal love for Gionta by MT that is mind boggling for me. As much as I respect that guy for the efforts he puts in, he's not as effective as he was previously in his career, and he's the weakest link of Mtl's top6 for a while now. He loses control of the puck too often after a small contact, makes blind passes, lacks basic offensive awareness, shoots the puck wide or in the goalie's chest, etc. Play dies on his stick.

I'd liek MT to try :

Vanek - Plekanec - Galchenyuk or
Vanek - Plekanec - Brière

Give them more offensive zone starts.

And then have the checking line, with over 60% defensive zone starts :

Moen - Eller - Gionta

I think it's time for Pleks to have a more offensively oriented role, that line can pick up the slack.


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03-12-2014, 08:18 AM
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But but... The team is winning?!
lol and in 3rd 4th!

Over our last 35 games we have 16 wins and just eight wins in regulation. But hey DD is dribbling out assists at a rate of one per two games so our franchise centre and top line are above reproach!

Vanek on the shutdown line (and Bouillon back on the power play ffs) is classic MT -- the idiot loves his little underdogs and is scared ****less of skill players.

It would not be so difficult to fix this -- move one of Galchenyuk or Briere to the Plekanec line and Gionta down to the third. Give Eller-Gionta (and White's line) more penalty kill and defensive duties and let Plekanec and Vanek play a more offensive role.

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Yep.....

Desharnais isn't a first line center, that's the job he's getting
Bouillon isn't a Offensive/PP player, that's the job he's getting
Galchenyuk isn't a Winger or a 3th line grinder, that's the job he's getting
Gallagher isn't a 6'4", physical presence in front of the net, that's the job he's getting
Subban isn't a defensive defenceman, that's the job he's getting
Bournival isn't a 4th line player, that's the job he's getting
Briere isn't a winger or a 4th line player, that's the job he's getting

Vanek isn't a defensive minded forward, that's the job he's getting.
but Therrien knows more than you!

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03-12-2014, 08:26 AM
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Absolutely no problem with Vanek playing with Plekanec... Gionta however is another story.

With a couple of practices and some rest, Vanek and Plekanec should do fine tonight even against the Bruins's trap.

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weren't we happy that plek might finally be given an offensive weapon to work with or was that last week?
0 points in 2 games, time to blow it up.

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