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03-16-2014, 02:10 AM
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Obvious homer is obvious. St Louis is better.

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To compare to some other teams, 2yr 82gms paces:


Bruins

Krejci (27): 65pts (113gms)
Iginla (36): 63pts (110gms)
Bergeron (28): 59pts (108gms)

Marchand (25): 58pts (111gms)
Lucic (26): 56pts (111gms)
Soderberg (28): 50pts (64gms)

Eriksson (28): 48pts (93gms)
Smith (22): 43pts (103gms)
Spooner (22): 35pts (26gms)

Paille (29): 26pts (103gms)
Kelly (33): 23pts (78gms)
Campbell (30): 22pts (114gms)


Blues

Steen (29): 68pts (95gms)
Oshie (27): 62pts (96gms)
Backes (29): 56pts (109gms)

Roy (30): 50pts (106gms)
Tarasenko (22): 50pts (101gms)
Schwartz (21): 47pts (109gms)

Sobotka (26): 41pts (95gms)
Berglund (25): 40pts (111gms)
Morrow (35): 37pts (103gms)

Ott (31): 32pts (114gms)
Pajaarvi (22): 27pts (86gms)
Lapierre (28): 18pts (104gms)


Avs

Duchene (22): 78pts (111gms)
O'Reilly (22): 65pts (94gms)
MacKinnon (18): 62pts (67gms)

Parenteau (30): 62pts (101gms)
Stastny (28): 59pts (98gms)
Landeskog (21): 57pts (102gms)

Tanguay (34): 56pts (56gms)
McGinn (25): 38pts (111gms)
Mitchell (29): 33pts (113gms)

Talbot (29): 25pts (101gms)
MacLeod (29): 15pts (110gms)
Bordeleay (27): 9pts (113gms)


Leafs

Kessel (26): 88pts (116gms)
Kadri (23): 66pts (112gms)
JVR (24): 63pts (114gms)

Bozak (27): 62pts (90gms)
Lupul (30): 61pts (75gms)
Raymond (28): 45pts (114gms)

Bolland (27): 39pts (50gms)
Kulemin (27): 33pts (104gms)
Clarkson (29): 30pts (94gms)

Holland (22): 23pts (80gms)
Bodie (28): 22pts (33gms)
McClem (30): 18pts (115gms)


Ducks

Getzlaf (28): 94pts (107gms)
Perry (28): 76pts (111gms)
Bonino (25): 52pts (90gms)

Koivu (39): 43pts (99gms)
Perreault (26): 42pts (93gms)
Cogliano (26): 41pts (115gms)

Palmieri (22): 39pts (100gms)
Selanne (43): 37pts (99gms)
Silfverberg (23): 35pts (86gms)

Winnik (28): 32pts (111gms)
Beleskey (25): 29pts (85gms)
Maroon (25): 26pts (60gms)


Rangers

St.Louis (38): 87pts (116gms)
Nash (29): 64pts (95gms)
Stepan (23): 64pts (115gms)

Richards (33): 59pts (114gms)
Zuccarello (26): 56pts (78gms)
Brassard (26): 47pts (114gms)

Hagelin (25): 40pts (106gms)
Pouliot (27): 38pts (100gms)
Kreider (22): 37pts (84gms)

Moore (33): 21pts (59gms)
Boyle (29): 16pts (105gms)
Carcillo (29): 8pts (72gms)
Is there a reason you didn't include Chicago?

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03-16-2014, 02:20 AM
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Obvious homer is obvious. St Louis is better.
That is debateable to say the least.

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03-16-2014, 02:22 AM
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Not even close.
you realize that forward lineup I just posted has 6 guys scoring at a 50+ point pace this year plus another at a 47 point pace and another at a 20 goal pace right? a bunch of them are also very good to elite two way players

plus it has Weiss on the 4th line who has struggled with injuries the past couple years but is only a couple years removed from a 57 point season(and 49,60,61 in the years before that)


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03-16-2014, 02:25 AM
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That is debateable to say the least.
Especially if you're basing said debate off of three regular season games in where we had sub-par goaltending.

Miller is a different breed than Halak/Elliott.

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03-16-2014, 02:26 AM
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Especially if you're basing it off of three regular season games in where we had sub-par goaltending.
It was a lot more than just goaltending that was the difference in those games. The Blues just don't match up to the Sharks this year.

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03-16-2014, 02:28 AM
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you realize that forward lineup I just posted has 7 guys scoring at a 50+ point pace this year plus another at a 47 point pace and another at a 20 goal pace right? a bunch of them are also very good to elite two way players

plus it has Weiss on the 4th line who has struggled with injuries the past couple years but is only a couple years removed from a 57 point season(and 49,60,61 in the years before that)
Those number are inflated simply because injuries amongst them have thrust others into 1st and 2nd line scoring roles, inflating their totals.

Also, the Hawks have 4 guys who already have 50 pts. 5 players who are around or exceed PPG players over the last 2 years.

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03-16-2014, 02:32 AM
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Is there a reason you didn't include Chicago?
I actually started to but turns out they really don't stack up depthwise - its a steep drop after their top 5 or 6.

I was a bit surprised.

But their top 4 still outmatches pretty much everyone else.

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03-16-2014, 02:38 AM
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I actually started to but turns out they really don't stack up depthwise - its a steep drop after their top 5 or 6.

I was a bit surprised.

But their top 4 still outmatches pretty much everyone else.
Points doesn't do the Chicago bottom 6 justice. In a playoff series, they play like a whole and produce together which is why they hoisted a cup.

I would take St Louis's forwards over San Jose's.

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03-16-2014, 02:43 AM
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I actually started to but turns out they really don't stack up depthwise - its a steep drop after their top 5 or 6.

I was a bit surprised.

But their top 4 still outmatches pretty much everyone else.
Line 1 exceeds any other teams numbers, with the potential exception of Anaheim

Line 2, the wingers exceed all teams drastically, center severely underperforms.

Line 3 is really the issue. Versteeg outperforms most other 3rd liners as does Shaw. Bickell is the issue, but he is a playoff player so who cares.

Line 4 is the best, or close to, in the NHL.

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03-16-2014, 02:43 AM
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It was a lot more than just goaltending that was the difference in those games. The Blues just don't match up to the Sharks this year.
I beg to differ.

Goaltending was absolutely crucial and would have made a difference in at least one game (the second game in where we played you guys at the tank). If I remember correctly, for example, you went up early with 3 quick goals, and Elliott got pulled. Burns was on fire, to his credit.

Later on, we started to mount a comeback and cut the deficit at one. For whatever reason, you guys took your foot off the pedal.

The game was over when Halak let in another softy, and you guys added an empty-netter and ended up winning, 6-3.

I have an extremely hard time believing that Miller would have let in three goals to put us in such a deficit in the first place, or that he would give up a softy to put the game out of reach. Watching him play with us, the guy simply doesn't give up many and shuts the door later on the game (at least that's how he's played for us, thus far).

The hallmark of Halak's time here, for example, was giving up soft goals to put us down early, or backbreakers later on in the game that either sent us to overtime, or ended the game for us outright.

Elliott, on the other hand, simply isn't a starter, and if played as such, will be prone to bouts of inconsistency, as seen in the early part of the game where he got owned by Burns in the first period of that game.

While I think we'll probably have to agree to disagree, I simply have a hard time believe that Miller (arguably a top five goaltender) wouldn't have made a difference for us in those games.

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03-16-2014, 02:47 AM
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St Louis has no top end talent, literally, but has phenomenal depth. I take them over SJ as well.

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03-16-2014, 02:55 AM
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Avs top 9 when healthy is pretty damn good too.

O'Reilly - Duchene - Parenteau
Landeskog - Stastny - Tanguay
McGinn - Mack - Talbot

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When healthy I'd have a tough time going against:
O'Reilly - Duchene - Parenteau
Landeskog - Stastny - Tanguay
McGinn - MacKinnon - Talbot
McCleod - Mitchell - Bordeleau/Cliche/Malone

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When healthy I'd have a tough time going against:
O'Reilly - Duchene - Parenteau
Landeskog - Stastny - Tanguay
McGinn - MacKinnon - Talbot
McCleod - Mitchell - Bordeleau/Cliche/Malone
This guy knows what I'm talking about.

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Every time there is a thread comparing the elite teams the same Sharks fans spam the thread talking about 3 games over and over.

If the avs are brought up it's about how they have gone 4-1 versus Chicago.

Or how they can't hang with STL.

Or how the blues can't beat the Kings.

Or how some of the Pacific teams own each other.


It's so lame.

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Every time there is a thread comparing the elite teams the same Sharks fans spam the thread talking about 3 games over and over.

If the avs are brought up it's about how they have gone 4-1 versus Chicago.

Or how they can't hang with STL.

Or how the blues can't beat the Kings.

Or how some of the Pacific teams own each other.


It's so lame.
Chicago dominates pacific teams.

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I'm a Blues fan and I would not say the Blues have better forwards than San Jose does. The Blues' forwards have better two-way ability overall, but San Jose has more potent, proven scoring. The playoffs are a different game, though, and that goes for both teams.

It's rare that any one team is clearly the best at something. There is usually a group, and in this case, it happens to be a group as opposed to being clearly the Sharks. Chicago, Boston, St. Louis, San Jose, and Anaheim, probably.

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st louis
Lol please, St Louis swims in a kiddy pool when it comes to comparison to the Sharks.

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^ A Kings fan backing the Sharks side? That's when you know it's the truth LOL.

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People are really banking on Miller and Ott being the guys that will make up for what was an obvious mismatch between the Blues and Sharks this year. I'm sorry but Miller isn't that good and Ott is next to useless.
Miller isn't that good? He's definitely been one of the best goalies in the league this year, and that was on the worst team in the NHL. He's the best goaltender the Blues have had in ages.

Ott is also far from useless. He's not a determining factor but he's a solid 3rd liner that has a presence on the ice.

Sharks and Blues would be a very interesting series. To clarify, I was saying regular season results basically mean nothing - regardless of whether or not the Blues had Miller/Ott. They are very evenly matched, and the Blues rag dolled the Sharks not too long ago, although that team was a 7 seed.

Overall, I'd say the Blues are better because of their blueline. Sharks are more dynamic up front, but the Blues overall forward depth is just as good as the Sharks, IMO.

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^ A Kings fan backing the Sharks side? That's when you know it's the truth LOL.
Pretty much, the Sharks offense is very good.

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They win the President's Trophy for best forward depth.

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If the blues are swimming in the kiddie pool compared to the Sharks offensively.


Then the Kings are swimming in a cesspool.

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Chicago dominates pacific teams.
The Ducks winning 5 of the last 6 says otherwise.

Edit: There are Kings fans and Ducks fans agreeing with Sharks fans......What is going on here......

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