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The San Jose Sharks have the best forward depth in the league.

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03-16-2014, 05:03 AM
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they are the most stacked top to bottom for sure with other teams like St Louis and Chicago

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03-16-2014, 05:20 AM
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If the blues are swimming in the kiddie pool compared to the Sharks offensively.


Then the Kings are swimming in a cesspool.
Call it what you want, but if the Blues are better than the kings then it's cute they are 0-2 in the playoffs.. You know.. When it matters.

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03-16-2014, 05:23 AM
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From another thread, (post by Freudian):

Five 20 goal scorers: Colorado
Four 20 goal scorers: Chicago, St Louis
Three 20 goal scorers: Anaheim, Boston, Edmonton, Islanders, Pittsburgh, Tampa Bay
Two 20 goal scorers: Dallas, Los Angeles, Minnesota, New Jersey, Ottawa, San Jose, Toronto, Winnipeg
One 20 goal scorer: Carolina, Columbus, Montreal, Nashville, Rangers, Philadelphia, Phoenix, Vancouver, Washington
No 20 goal scorer: Buffalo, Calgary, Detroit, Florida

Edit: I know Colorado doesn't have the best depth, just comparisons.


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03-16-2014, 05:34 AM
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Call it what you want, but if the Blues are better than the kings then it's cute they are 0-2 in the playoffs.. You know.. When it matters.
Ryan Miller. That is all.

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03-16-2014, 05:38 AM
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The Ducks winning 5 of the last 6 says otherwise.

Edit: There are Kings fans and Ducks fans agreeing with Sharks fans......What is going on here......
HAHAHA, is this bizarro world?

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03-16-2014, 05:40 AM
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Call it what you want, but if the Blues are better than the kings then it's cute they are 0-2 in the playoffs.. You know.. When it matters.
Why doesn't that extend to the Sharks' being 0-1 against the Blues in the playoffs in the same span?

Not that I think that's the metric by which to judge current teams, but please stick to a standard.

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So the question is, which team is going to beat them in the 2nd round again?

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03-16-2014, 05:51 AM
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Ryan Miller. That is all.
He's looked pretty okay watching him play. Pretty surprised. I expected him to do much better.

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03-16-2014, 06:01 AM
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From another thread, (post by Freudian):

Five 20 goal scorers: Colorado
Four 20 goal scorers: Chicago, St Louis
Three 20 goal scorers: Anaheim, Boston, Edmonton, Islanders, Pittsburgh, Tampa Bay
Two 20 goal scorers: Dallas, Los Angeles, Minnesota, New Jersey, Ottawa, San Jose, Toronto, Winnipeg
One 20 goal scorer: Carolina, Columbus, Montreal, Nashville, Rangers, Philadelphia, Phoenix, Vancouver, Washington
No 20 goal scorer: Buffalo, Calgary, Detroit, Florida

Edit: I know Colorado doesn't have the best depth, just comparisons.
Not sure what you're trying to show, as it probably should be 20 plus goal scorers. Simply listing the 20 goal scorers is misleading

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03-16-2014, 06:05 AM
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He's looked pretty okay watching him play. Pretty surprised. I expected him to do much better.
He's definitely a calming presence back there. He's still worlds apart from our previous netminders. The differences are quite noticeable, and his numbers since joining us are a little better than "okay" (c'mon).

Brian Elliott is what he is, a great backup. Where we run into trouble with him is if you treat him like a starter...he can't handle the load, as proven in the past two seasons. Halak is as shaky and inconsistent as they come, and I wouldn't be surprised if he turned into a backup goaltender at some point during his career. He just doesn't have that "it" factor (Elliott has his moments, but he won't carry you through a series).

I'm all too willing to give the devil his due, though. Did the Kings beat the Blues two years in a row? Yes.

Have the Sharks, Kings, Canucks and Ducks owned the Blues this season? Yes.

If we didn't make a serious change between the pipes, then the discourse would be a lot different. I honestly think we wouldn't fair any better than we did in the previous two years against the Kings if we were still counting on either Halak or Elliott to carry us past even the first round, and we'd probably get blown out of the water against the likes of the Sharks or Ducks if we faced them in the playoffs.

However, there is now a pretty significant "but" seeing as how we've upgraded, arguably, our biggest weakness. Therefore, this is what keeps me wondering what would have happened if we had Miller in the pipes instead of Elliott/Halak last season in the playoffs against the Kings, and earlier this season against the Pacific division.

So when people bring up the records, I can't help but point out the "but". Until then, permit me to be skeptical.

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03-16-2014, 06:15 AM
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He's definitely a calming presence back there. He's still worlds apart from our previous netminders. The differences are quite noticeable, and his numbers since joining us are a little better than "okay" (c'mon).

Brian Elliott is what he is, a great backup. Where we run into trouble with him is if you treat him like a starter...he can't handle the load, as proven in the past two seasons. Halak is as shaky and inconsistent as they come, and I wouldn't be surprised if he turned into a backup goaltender at some point during his career. He just doesn't have that "it" factor (Elliott has his moments, but he won't carry you through a series).

I'm all too willing to give the devil his due, though. Did the Kings beat the Blues two years in a row? Yes.

Have the Sharks, Kings, Canucks and Ducks owned the Blues this season? Yes.

If we didn't make a serious change between the pipes, then the discourse would be a lot different. I honestly think we wouldn't fair any better than we did in the previous two years against the Kings if we were still counting on either Halak or Elliott to carry us past even the first round, and we'd probably get blown out of the water against the likes of the Sharks or Ducks if we faced them in the playoffs.

However, there is now a pretty significant "but" seeing as how we've upgraded, arguably, our biggest weakness. Therefore, this is what keeps me wondering what would have happened if we had Miller in the pipes instead of Elliott/Halak last season in the playoffs against the Kings, and earlier this season against the Pacific division.

So when people bring up the records, I can't help but point out the "but". Until then, permit me to be skeptical.
I know I've told many Blues fans that Miller would be the difference between cup and no cup easy, I just haven't been as impressed as I like but who knows maybe he gets better.

I like you. You are one of my favorite Blues fans to read from

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03-16-2014, 06:23 AM
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I know I've told many Blues fans that Miller would be the difference between cup and no cup easy, I just haven't been as impressed as I like but who knows maybe he gets better.

I like you. You are one of my favorite Blues fans to read from
Darren Pang brought up a good point during the broadcast of our game against the Predators when he said that adjustments for a goaltender on a new team are never easy. This is apparent when watching the games that he's still getting used to playing behind our defense and in our system. It shows in the attempts to establish communication with his d-men. It's only been seven games, I believe, so there's still time to get dialed in and comfortable for him with 15 games remaining.

Obviously we hope he only gets better sooner rather than later (and he's been pretty damn good thus far, IMO).

Also, thank you. Although, I definitely admit to not being the most knowledgeable Blues fan (that honor goes to rumrokh, who posted earlier in this thread ). Didn't know I even made an impression.


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03-16-2014, 07:17 AM
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Not sure what you're trying to show, as it probably should be 20 plus goal scorers. Simply listing the 20 goal scorers is misleading
It is 20+ goal scorers, all the teams in the league don't have players exactly at 20 dead on...

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03-16-2014, 09:24 AM
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If the blues are swimming in the kiddie pool compared to the Sharks offensively.


Then the Kings are swimming in a cesspool.
I love how St. Louis fans have to go here when he made no mention of the Kings having good depth.

Hey, it is fun playing the generalization game.

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03-16-2014, 09:40 AM
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They're good very good. Deepest? Top 3 for sure.

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03-16-2014, 09:57 AM
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They win the President's Trophy for best forward depth.
I hear we're getting a banner for that.

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03-16-2014, 10:00 AM
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Hertl - Thornton - Burns
Marleau - Couture - Nieto
Havlat - Pavelski - Wingels
Torres - Desjardins - Sheppard

Not even Chicago has depth like this.

Thread is not open to discussion, just admiration.
Deep at center - yes. Overall - no.

Also Thornton is 34. And while it's a balanced lineup I don't know what ist there to be hyped about with Burns, Havlat, Nieto and Hertl who still have to prove they can do it again. Right now I'd take Chicago's roster anyday.

SJ's roster s good, it's deep, but by far not the best or deepest.

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03-16-2014, 10:12 AM
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Just realized that that lineup lists 3 guys wiith less than 50gms played as a forward in the top 6.

That's a sneaky way to try and show "depth",

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Just realized that that lineup lists 3 guys wiith less than 50gms played as a forward in the top 6.

That's a sneaky way to try and show "depth",
So players with extended injuries during the year don't count as top-6 level players?

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Pavelski is a stud. You know your team is deep when he's a third line center.
It's funny how Pavelski was centering the USA's 2nd line...............

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Younger doesn't mean better.

Marleau, Couture, Pavelski, and Burns are all defensive studs. How many Bruins forwards other than Bergeron are better defensively?
The Bruins also have Krejci, Marchand, and Kelly as plus defenders in their top-9.

The Bruins as a team score more goals and do a better job keeping the puck out of the net than the Sharks. So do the Blues.

The Sharks have a nice team with great depth. I don't see anything upfront that puts them at a level higher than the other deep teams at the top of the league.

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It is 20+ goal scorers, all the teams in the league don't have players exactly at 20 dead on...
Yes, but it is misleading. The Flyers have only one 20+ goal scorer, the Avs have five. So much deeper, right? But the Flyers have 7 15+ goal scorers and the Avs have 6. Silly stats.

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All that depth and still going out in the first round.. what a shame

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Lol please, St Louis swims in a kiddy pool when it comes to comparison to the Sharks.
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^ A Kings fan backing the Sharks side? That's when you know it's the truth LOL.
It's almost as if this poster has something against the blues...

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All that depth and still going out in the first round.. what a shame
We can only hope that we don't have a Leafesque meltdown in game 7, right? Silver lining and all...

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