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03-16-2014, 07:05 PM
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Pavelski, Kopitar, Kessel, come one guys there has to be at least a hundred more players people would take over Ovie. Let's think outside the box on this one.

I'll start, Tanner Glass (intangibles).
The Leafs got enough intangibles with Clarkson

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03-16-2014, 07:08 PM
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Phil kessel....ovechkin has froze up and bombed every opportunity to win anything relevant for his entire career....he just goes awol when he's needed.
Ummm no.... just no.

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Phill kessel struggled unbelievably against boston for years...i think he scored once in all the games he played against them....but what happens in the playoffs when they need him most? Scores 4 goals in 7 games against what would go on to be one of the stingiest D's of the entire playoffs.
Difference? Ovechkin's Caps actually beat the Bruins... and didn't choke in game 7 when up 4-1. Kessel disappeared for a good 20 minute chunk of the game (3rd period and OT), when the leafs needed him most.

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Kessels is 2 years younger and makes 1.4 million less, maybe doesnt score as many but scores ones that are more important when the leafs need them most.
Yea no again. Get back to me when Kessel singlehandedly takes the Leafs into the playoffs year after year and is a PPG performer in the playoffs. Until then Ovechkin is in a different league.

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I take kessel every day of the week and this is a habs fan saying this.
Good, you'd be the only one.

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03-16-2014, 07:12 PM
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North Americans > Russians (On Canadian TV of course)...


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03-16-2014, 07:13 PM
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No sensible person would take Kessel's career over Ovechkin's. However, Ovechkin is 2 years older and peaked 5 or 6 years ago. Kessel seems to still be getting better.

This season Kessel has provided more of a positive impact than Ovechkin has, and given their career trajectories it is not a stretch to think it will stay that way going forward.

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03-16-2014, 07:14 PM
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Lol kessel over Ovechkin

This.......is........awesome......lol

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03-16-2014, 07:16 PM
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I've only seen a few pages of this thread but im surprised no one has mentioned how much more physical ovechkin is than Kessel. Ovechkin is one of the best hitters in the league and I can't say I ever seen Kessel throw a hit.

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03-16-2014, 07:22 PM
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They were also raging about Ovi's plus minus. I'm not saying some of it isn't his fault, but he can't cover every position and the two goals against tonight he was hardly at fault for . Not to mention you can't get a + for when the team scores a PP goal.

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03-16-2014, 07:22 PM
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No sensible person would take Kessel's career over Ovechkin's. However, Ovechkin is 2 years older and peaked 5 or 6 years ago. Kessel seems to still be getting better.

This season Kessel has provided more of a positive impact than Ovechkin has, and given their career trajectories it is not a stretch to think it will stay that way going forward.
Ovechkin won the Hart trophy last year. He's leading the league in goal scoring this year. You're acting like he's a washed up bum.

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03-16-2014, 07:22 PM
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I watched the panel today and I think people need a little perspective. They seemed to be talking in the context of who you would take on your team right now. Not who do you build a franchise around, not who is the better player over their careers. They'd just finished talking about Ovie having the 2nd worst plus/minus in the league.

Ovie is a better goal scorer and more physical. Kessel is better defensively (not saying much) and a better playmaker. He makes his linemates better.

The SN panel just needs something to talk about. Very few Leaf fans take that panel seriously.

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03-16-2014, 07:24 PM
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03-16-2014, 07:28 PM
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If Ovy were a TML he'd be talked about as if he were a hockey god named Gord Ovechby.

If Ovy actually played in a half decent organization, he'd probably be blazing the league again.

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03-16-2014, 07:29 PM
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Anyone else catch that? For the wsh - tor game, the question who would you rather have cane up, and the panel chose Kessel due to ovi's leadership questions, his playoff performances, and his - 26 +\-

Thoughts? Are they morons or do you agree?
It explains why they're sitting on a panel rather than acting as part of management.

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03-16-2014, 07:30 PM
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This.......is........awesome......lol
That may be the best gif ever!!

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03-16-2014, 07:32 PM
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It's very easy for people who have zero responsibility for the performance of a team to make controversial statements such as this.

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03-16-2014, 07:33 PM
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If Ovy were a TML he'd be talked about as if he were a hockey god named Gord Ovechby.

If Ovy actually played in a half decent organization, he'd probably be blazing the league again.
Not sure about your first point as Canadian hockey media is fairly anti-Russian.

Mogilny played for TO and his stay there was met with criticism. Kovalev in Montreal same thing. The 'lazy Russian' myth is strong in these markets.

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03-16-2014, 07:33 PM
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Ovechkin not only because he is better, but because he'd be the instant face of ANY franchise (sans Penguins). If the Leafs pulled an Ovechkin for Kessel trade straight up they'd look like geniuses and most would be saying, "cup runs through Toronto now!"

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03-16-2014, 07:35 PM
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lol wow. ovechkin is lightyears better than kessel, its not even close.

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03-16-2014, 07:37 PM
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Ummm no.... just no.



Difference? Ovechkin's Caps actually beat the Bruins... and didn't choke in game 7 when up 4-1. Kessel disappeared for a good 20 minute chunk of the game (3rd period and OT), when the leafs needed him most.



Yea no again. Get back to me when Kessel singlehandedly takes the Leafs into the playoffs year after year and is a PPG performer in the playoffs. Until then Ovechkin is in a different league.



Good, you'd be the only one.
When has Ovechkin single handedly taken the Caps to playoffs year after year?

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03-16-2014, 07:37 PM
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Poll says better producer not who would you rather have.
Untrue.

In fact, the OP wrote the following:

"Ovechkin the better goal scorer but Kessel the better overall producer."

And he never wrote what he meant by "Ovechkin vs Kessel".

But the vast majority of the comments were on who was the better player...

This is so easily verifiable by just reading the thread attached to that poll.

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03-16-2014, 07:39 PM
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Canadians > Russians (On Canadian TV of course)...
Kessel is from Minnesota. United States of America.

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As is comparing PK Subban to Bobby Orr...
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Did someone do that?

If so, laughable.

If not, that's a gratuitous snipe comment on your part.

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03-16-2014, 07:41 PM
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I agree.

Don't get me wrong, 2005-2010 Ovie >>>> anything Kessel will ever be in his career, but Kessel is the better option now.

2011-12
Phil Kessel 82GP 37G 45A 82P
Alex Ovechkin 78GP 38G 27A 65P

2012-13
Phil Kessel 48GP 20G 32A 52P
Alex Ovechkin 48GP 32G 24A 56P

2013-14
Phil Kessel 69GP 34G 39A 73P
Alex Ovechkin 65GP 45G 23A 68P

Cumulative:
Phil Kessel 198GP 91G 116A 207P (38G 54A 86P pace)
Alex Ovechkin 190GP 115G 74A 189P (50G 32A 82P pace)

Taking into account the fact that Kessel makes the players around him better, is younger, and isn't a trainwreck defensively (although he isn't good), I'd take him over Ovechkin without thinking twice.

Alex Ovechkin is not the same player he was 269 games ago

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Kessel is from Minnesota. United States of America.
Yes, but he's North American, not Russian, and he is the face of Canada's biggest market team.

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03-16-2014, 07:44 PM
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So the Toronto sports network panel claims they would rather have Kessel over Ovechkin.
If i remember correctly wasn't everyone calling Kyproes a moron ,even Leaf fans but now they are agreeing with him.
Typical.

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03-16-2014, 07:47 PM
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I agree.

Don't get me wrong, 2005-2010 Ovie >>>> anything Kessel will ever be in his career, but Kessel is the better option now.

2011-12
Phil Kessel 82GP 37G 45A 82P
Alex Ovechkin 78GP 38G 27A 65P

2012-13
Phil Kessel 48GP 20G 32A 52P
Alex Ovechkin 48GP 32G 24A 56P

2013-14
Phil Kessel 69GP 34G 39A 73P
Alex Ovechkin 65GP 45G 23A 68P

Cumulative:
Phil Kessel 198GP 91G 116A 207P (38G 54A 86P pace)
Alex Ovechkin 190GP 115G 74A 189P (50G 32A 82P pace)

Taking into account the fact that Kessel makes the players around him better, is younger, and isn't a trainwreck defensively (although he isn't good), I'd take him over Ovechkin without thinking twice.

Alex Ovechkin is not the same player he was 269 games ago

Phil 2012-2013 and 2013-2014
117GP, 54G, 71A, 125P

Ovie 2012-2013 and 2013-2014
113GP, 77G, 47A, 124P

More goals by 23 in less games played I wonder how many years out it will take for people to stop posting Ovechkin's one actually subpar (less than a PPG) season to dumb down the stats.

Edit for dumb math, however goal total is still the same.


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