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Rangers Robbed of a Goal Against San Jose

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03-16-2014, 04:47 PM
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FWIW the Rangers have had calls go against them this year that were quite conclusive so I can understand the disdain.

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Lol...

1. You have no idea when the whistle blew on the replay.
2. You can never see the puck completely cross the line.

How is that robbed?
Give it up.

Everyone can see that it's a goal.

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That makes perfect sense, but unfortunately the replay rule doesn't work that way. It was probably a goal, but again, where is that white space that proves it?
And there in lies the problem. Unfortunately, Toronto needs to really overhaul how they call a goal. I see this happen way too often, not just to the Rangers, of goals that should clearly be goals.

Toronto needs the puck 10 inches over the red line with tons of white around it for there even to be a chance they call it a goal. And even than, the ref will somehow come out and say he had intent to blow a whistle.

I just want more consistency out of the league.

Whatever happened to the clear top of the net (fiber glass on top of the net). They need a new camera system, or some better method, to see what is a goal. Because there are a lot of goals that happen that are called no goals because of this non-sense.

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Probably the right call according to the rules, but a mockery of common sense.

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Sharks are owed one after all the robberies that they've endured. Also, this one is marginal at best. Can anybody show me a picture of the puck inside the net? You can't assume, you have to show a picture of the puck INSIDE THE RED LINE with WHITE BETWEEN THE PUCK. Can you show such a picture?

(Hint: You can't)
Then get one of those against a team that hasn't been on the losing end of every ****ing one of these, you're not owed anything at our expense.

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The war room has been especially awful since the Olympics.

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It's an incredibly slippery slope. Once you make assumptions, even basic ones, it can be hard to draw a hard line about what's an acceptable assumption and what's not.

The league's rule is that they need conclusive evidence - an actual image of the puck fully across the goal line. They did not have that here, and even though it is a reasonable assumption the puck was across the line, they cannot start making such assumptions.

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There's no video evidence that shows the puck in the net with white between it and the goal line. Unfortunately, that's how the league operates for these things. You can deduce that it did cross the line but w/o any real evidence, they can't overturn it. And no, Niemi pulling the puck out doesn't show that since you can't see where the puck came from and whether it was completely behind the goal line.

I understand where upset Rangers fans are coming from though. Sharks have had the most disallowed goals this season and at least five or six of them unjustly.

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You can assume all you want, rangers fans, but no overhead angle actually showed the puck cross the line. Or when the ref blew his whistle.

No conclusive evidence. No goal.

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Correct call was made.

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Give it up.

Everyone can see that it's a goal.
It has to be CONCLUSIVE. There was no video of the puck in the net. There was a video of the puck projecting over the net. But you are absolutely not allowed to deem a goal if you cannot CONCLUSIVELY see the puck over the line.

It is not a goal. It was subjective. Odds are, yes, it was over. But there is no hard proof.

To say it's a goal and overturn an on-ice ruling, you literally need a picture of the puck, over the line.

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Never saw anything that showed it in the net over the line.

Can't draw conclusions.

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The war room has been especially awful since the Olympics.
Perhaps the incompetence has crossed the Atlantic.

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Where is the video from the goal cam? Why wasn't that looked at or shown?

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A goalie can cover the puck with his glove, and then move it behind the goal line, and it won't count because they can't see the puck.

It's bush league, but I've come to expect that of this league

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You can assume all you want, rangers fans, but no overhead angle actually showed the puck cross the line. Or when the ref blew his whistle.

No conclusive evidence. No goal.
Had nothing to do with the call - you're watching the game?

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There are two possibilities

1. The puck was across

2. The puck traveled to a parallel universe for the time that it would've otherwise been in the net.

We can't assume anything.

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Puck is in the net, but since the NHL don't have any sort of impressive technology in 2014 to check it up, this is where we are. No conclusive evidence of the puck being in the net, because the puck is in the net. Just awesome. Get a chip in the pucks already?

And at the end of the period, the refs were babysitters for San Jose. After an icing call, San Jose had one man short on the ice. Did the refs drop the puck, like they're supposed to? Or give them a delay of game penalty? No. They skated over and asked if they wanted another player on the ice. Comical at best, incompetent reffing.

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The war room has been especially awful since the Olympics.
If you mean the 1896 Olympics in Athens then yes, they've been awful since the Olympics.

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It has to be CONCLUSIVE. There was no video of the puck in the net. There was a video of the puck projecting over the net. But you are absolutely not allowed to deem a goal if you cannot CONCLUSIVELY see the puck over the line.

It is not a goal. It was subjective. Odds are, yes, it was over. But there is no hard proof.

To say it's a goal and overturn an on-ice ruling, you literally need a picture of the puck, over the line.
The rule is not you have to see the puck in the net for it to be called a goal. That's not even the definition of conclusive. In the most clear case - if the goalie catches the puck in his glove outside the crease. Then closes his hand tightly on the puck so you can't see it. Then for some reason places his hand in the goal that would be a good goal - even if it wasn't originally called one and went to replay.

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Probably the right call according to the rules, but a mockery of common sense.
This exactly. This league is Dumb and Dumber status. I understand the rule basically says they made the right call but OUTSIDE of the stupidly worded rules I'm sure anyone can deduct that when the puck slides past the line and out of sight that it is in fact a goal. It does not disenegrate, it does not teleport. It sits in the net. Christ...let people make the right decisions.

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The NHL doesn't believe in simple physics, I guess.

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I see white in between the puck and the goal line. Looks conclusive to me.

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Sharks feed showed replays where I didn't see the puck cross the line. So in this case refs got it right. If you can show me a replay that says otherwise then feel free to show it.

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