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03-16-2014, 08:14 PM
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Toews
Ovechkin
Neal
Seguin
Carter
D. Sedin
Nash
Stamkos
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03-16-2014, 08:17 PM
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If krejci had a sniper on his wing he'd be in this conversation.

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03-16-2014, 08:19 PM
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Crosby
Thornton
Malkin
H. Sedin
Datsyuk
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03-16-2014, 08:29 PM
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Then I guess it will surprise you that in assists/gm Hall is 10th this season, 8th last season, and over the past 2 seasons is 6th in assists/assits per game among THE ENTIRE NHL . So yeah, check yourself and the stats there please.
I am well aware of his stats and his style of play, playmaking involves more than just the stats. hall is not an intelligent playmaker, the numbers do NOT tell the entire story.

Hall is not a better play maker than anyone else mentioned in this thread, let alone when we start including other names yet to be brought up, and rightfully so, because they don't belong in the top 10.

i don't even think hall should be in the consideration when it comes to the top 20.

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03-16-2014, 08:42 PM
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I am well aware of his stats and his style of play, playmaking involves more than just the stats. hall is not an intelligent playmaker, the numbers do NOT tell the entire story.

Hall is not a better play maker than anyone else mentioned in this thread, let alone when we start including other names yet to be brought up, and rightfully so, because they don't belong in the top 10.

i don't even think hall should be in the consideration when it comes to the top 20.
The guy is a tremendous offensive talent and possession player, even in juniors he racked up assists. I don't get why you are so strong on the argument that a guy in his 4th season in the nhl has racked up assists over the last 2yrs just out of the top 5 best in the league isn't worthy of being top 10 on the list? Think Ovechkin.

I could bust balls on your list too, PKane, HSedin, Datsyuk. Zetterberg's been a better playmaker than Datsyuk the last couple years and Datsyuk's health is going bad the last couple seasons, H.Sedin is having the worst season of his career in almost a decade, and PKane hasn't cracked the top 13 in assist once in the past 4yrs. See, I can play that game too?

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03-16-2014, 08:42 PM
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Toews
Ovechkin
Neal
Seguin
Carter
D. Sedin
Nash
Stamkos
Nugent-Hopekins
Duchene
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Crosby
Thornton
P. Kane
H.Sedin
Datsyuk
Malkin
Nugent Hopkins
St.Louis
Getzlaf
Tavares
Backstrom
Giroux
RNH isn't a better playmaker than ANY of those guys

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03-16-2014, 08:46 PM
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I am as serious as you could possibly ask me to be.

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Crosby
Thornton
H.Sedin
Malkin
St.Louis
Getzlaf
Giroux
Backstrom
P.Kane
Datsyuk

If we are talking about pedigree and consistency over the last few years, order and even the list would change depending on what time frame is taken into consideration.
Probably the most common list. Personally I'd replace Kane and possibly Backstrom with anyone of Krejci, Duchene or Tavares.

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03-16-2014, 08:53 PM
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The guy is a tremendous offensive talent and possession player
agreed, we are talking specifically about play-making though, not game-breaking ability, they are different.

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I don't get why you are so strong on the argument that a guy in his 4th season in the nhl has racked up assists over the last 2yrs just out of the top 5 best in the league isn't worthy of being top 10 on the list? Think Ovechkin.
exactly, and for the same reasons ovi is not getting mentioned in these lists, even despite him having multiple 50+ assist seasons.

getting assists from being involved in the play, or putting pucks on net and getting the A's via rebounds, are not the same as setting up a play from a passing standpoint, vastly different in the context of this discussion (best play-makers not best total offensive talents)

they may get the numbers but they do not possess the same level of passing ability or vision that the true play makers do.

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I could bust balls on your list too, PKane, HSedin, Datsyuk. Zetterberg's been a better playmaker than Datsyuk the last couple years and Datsyuk's health is going bad the last couple seasons
see where i made the comment in my origional list that the scope of such lists will change when we take specific time lines into consideration? Ya, that was noted because there are different ways to deduce the argument when we get into timeline logistics, if we are speaking from an ability standpoint, zetterberg fall just outside, again, numbers are not everything.

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H.Sedin is having the worst season of his career in almost a decade
Exactly, 1 year out of a decade, so unless this is your first season watching hockey, sedin should be near the top of your list.


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PKane hasn't cracked the top 13 in assist once in the past 4yrs. See, I can play that game too?
no, you can't play this game. I'm not even a hawks or kane fan, but watch the kids play-making ability, and he is one of the best in the league.

again, watch the players, the raw assist numbers aren't the be all end all of the discussion.

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Toews
Ovechkin
Neal
Seguin
Carter
D. Sedin
Nash
Stamkos
Nugent-Hopekins
Duchene
What is this....?

lol

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Crosby
Thornton
P. Kane
H.Sedin
Datsyuk
Malkin
Nugent Hopkins
St.Louis
Getzlaf
Tavares
Backstrom
Giroux
Joke?

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What is this....?

lol
Ah, well, I'll get outta my closet.

Here is the true list:

Crosby
Thornton
H. Sedin
Giroux
Getzlaf
Bäckström
Malkin
St Louis
P. Kane
Tavares

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03-16-2014, 08:58 PM
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RNH is the best playmaker on the Oilers. He may not be a top 10-15 playmaker in the league yet, but he is above Hall, despite what the numbers say.

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Probably the most common list. Personally I'd replace Kane and possibly Backstrom with anyone of Krejci, Duchene or Tavares.
Krejci and Duchene better playmakers then Backstrom?

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Toews
Ovechkin
Neal
Seguin
Carter
D. Sedin
Nash
Stamkos
Nugent-Hopekins
Duchene
Funny list. Where's your real one?

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Ah, well, I'll get outta my closet.

Here is the true list:

Crosby
Thornton
H. Sedin
Giroux
Getzlaf
Bäckström
Malkin
St Louis
P. Kane
Tavares
Needs more Datsyuk but I like it.

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Ah, well, I'll get outta my closet.

Here is the true list:

Crosby
Thornton
H. Sedin
Giroux
Getzlaf
Bäckström
Malkin
St Louis
P. Kane
Tavares
Way better than the first one

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Crosby
Thornton
P. Kane
H.Sedin
Datsyuk
Malkin
Nugent Hopkins
St.Louis
Getzlaf
Tavares
Backstrom
Giroux

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Crosby
Jumbo
Getzlaf
The rest

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agreed, we are talking specifically about play-making though, not game-breaking ability, they are different.



exactly, and for the same reasons ovi is not getting mentioned in these lists, even despite him having multiple 50+ assist seasons.

getting assists from being involved in the play, or putting pucks on net and getting the A's via rebounds, are not the same as setting up a play from a passing standpoint, vastly different in the context of this discussion (best play-makers not best total offensive talents)

they may get the numbers but they do not possess the same level of passing ability or vision that the true play makers do.



see where i made the comment in my origional list that the scope of such lists will change when we take specific time lines into consideration? Ya, that was noted because there are different ways to deduce the argument when we get into timeline logistics, if we are speaking from an ability standpoint, zetterberg fall just outside, again, numbers are not everything.



Exactly, 1 year out of a decade, so unless this is your first season watching hockey, sedin should be near the top of your list.




no, you can't play this game. I'm not even a hawks or kane fan, but watch the kids play-making ability, and he is one of the best in the league.

again, watch the players, the raw assist numbers aren't the be all end all of the discussion.
Fair enough. We'll agree to disagree. I considered Ovy during his early elite years as an elite playmaker because to generate that many assists off shots is a skill in itself imo. A lot of goals are scored off rebounds, and for someone to generate that many assists off their shot is a playmaking skill imo, and I take that into account.

I don't disagree with your choices or reasoning for them btw, was just busting balls .

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Crosby and Joe are clear 1-2. After that its debatable as to the order.

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Based on stats it's

Crosby, Thornton, Backstrom, Malkin, Giroux, Getzlaf, Krejci, Tavares, Duchene, Seguin

Tavares would be higher sans injury

(I assumed op mainly meant centers)


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Probably the most common list. Personally I'd replace Kane and possibly Backstrom with anyone of Krejci, Duchene or Tavares.
Krejci, Duchene or Tavares above Backstrom

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