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03-16-2014, 07:16 PM
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You don't think Jan Hejda is a superb number 2 D? And then you have Andre "scratch" Benoit averaging over 20 minutes a game, good for third on the team.
Certainly on most teams Hejda is not #2 defenseman, but He's been ROCK SOLID this season. I don't think there's many players who could have played as well in his role as he has. He's been just amazing.

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oh please. i have taken a look at the d. leafs d is garbage. carlyle's system basically depends on bernier being good. if bernier has a bad game we lose. if bernier has a good game we win. please, leafs are horrendously outshot day in and day out, that shows how horrible thier d is. everyday ppl claim the leafs are all luck, thats wrong. the leafs are all bernier.
Serious question, would you take Bernier over Varlamov?

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Bobrovsky is still the better Russian goalie. Proved that during the Olympics. How both guys performed at the Sochi Games, combined with Bobrovsky's .920 SV% behind an inferior team (relative to the Avs), backs up his claim almost as much as last year's Vezina.

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Certainly on most teams Hejda is not #2 defenseman, but He's been ROCK SOLID this season. I don't think there's many players who could have played as well in his role as he has. He's been just amazing.
Yeah he's a good player, but a number 2 d man? Good for him for thriving in that role though.

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03-16-2014, 07:18 PM
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Check the stats bud. Better yet, name the top4 Dmen each team has...
Avs:

EJ
Hejda
Barrie
+ one of Holden/Geunin/Beniot/Sarich/Wilson

Leafs:

Phaneuf
Gunnarson
Gardiner
Franson

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03-16-2014, 07:19 PM
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Avs:

EJ
Hejda
Barrie
+ one of Holden/Geunin/Beniot/Sarich/Wilson

Leafs:

Phaneuf
Gunnarson
Gardiner
Franson
Beniot is the 3 D, not Barrie.

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03-16-2014, 07:19 PM
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Serious question, would you take Bernier over Varlamov?
yes i would. i watch more leaf games than av games so im probably biased though.

btw, im not saying bernier is elite, im trying to use bernier as an example to explain why varlamov is not elite.

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Avs D is better than the Oilers'. Why is that thought so crazy to you?
Cause I watched pretty much every game Avs D "defend" this year. They have 2 guys that can consistently defend well (Hejda and EJ) while other 4 have a lot of issues.

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03-16-2014, 07:21 PM
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Bobrovsky is still the better Russian goalie. Proved that during the Olympics. How both guys performed at the Sochi Games, combined with Bobrovsky's .920 SV% behind an inferior team (relative to the Avs), backs up his claim almost as much as last year's Vezina.
Yeah the Russian defense really gave Varly the support he needed
Talk about small sample size.

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Beniot is the 3 D, not Barrie.
I know the lines. It's:

EJ - Hejda
Barrie - Holden/Geunin usually, before it was Wilson
Benoit/Geunin - Sarich/Geunin Usually whoever isn't scratched between Sarich and Benoit

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I know the lines. It's:

EJ - Hejda
Barrie - Holden/Geunin usually, before it was Wilson
Benoit/Geunin - Sarich/Geunin Usually whoever isn't scratched between Sarich and Benoit
Ok, I was just looking at time on ice. Fair enough

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Ok, I was just looking at time on ice. Fair enough
Barrie's and Benoit's TOI was skewed by the first ~20 games in the season where Barrie was a healthy scratch or played on the 3rd pairing. Had a rough start to the season whereas Benoit was solid and earned his top 4 ice time during the first part of the year.

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Barrie's and Benoit's TOI was skewed by the first ~20 games in the season where Barrie was a healthy scratch or played on the 3rd pairing. Had a rough start to the season whereas Benoit was solid and earned his top 4 ice time during the first part of the year.
Makes sense, thanks

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03-16-2014, 07:39 PM
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He is not elite. People use that term way too loosely. There might be one or two elite goaltenders in the NHL. That's it.

He is having a career year. It's his first season, playing more than 50 games, where he is above a .920.

Goaltenders like Henrik Lundqvist have had four consecutive seasons above a .920 while starting 60+ games a season.

Varlamov is as elite as Craig Anderson was last year. And about as elite as Ben Bishop is.

There are always two or three goaltenders that have a great year out of the blue. Few of them actually bring that level of play to the next season, let alone, to the next three or four seasons.

One thing that makes an athlete elite, at least to me, is being able to consistently bring a high level of play EVERY season.

Last year, everyone thought Anderson was ELITE. This year, nobody cares about him. This year, people think Varlamov is elite. Where will he be next year?

Miller was considered a mid-level starter in the NHL for the last several years, this season, he is top-5 in the world again (and by my definition, Miller is much closer to being elite than Varlamov, Bishop, Anderson, etc, because of his body of work).

Goaltenders need to bring more consistency to the table to be elite. If you go by this forum, there are 10 elite goaltenders, 25 elite forwards, and 20 elite defense man, when in reality, there shouldn't be more than a couple in each position. Otherwise "elite" starts looking like "good."

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03-16-2014, 07:49 PM
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Not quite.

Goaltending is a lot easier when you aren't getting a lot of attention. Lets see how he does as he starts dealing with expectations and playoff scouting that will look to expose his weaknesses.

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Sorry, goalies that put up <.900 in the previous season aren't elite goalies the next season, no matter how good they are. Goaltending is far too volatile from year to year to label someone elite after one good season.

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He is not elite. People use that term way too loosely. There might be one or two elite goaltenders in the NHL. That's it.

He is having a career year. It's his first season, playing more than 50 games, where he is above a .920.

Goaltenders like Henrik Lundqvist have had four consecutive seasons above a .920 while starting 60+ games a season.

Varlamov is as elite as Craig Anderson was last year. And about as elite as Ben Bishop is.
Lundquist is 18th this year in qualifying Save % according to ESPN. Some may call him "elite", but his numbers are not elite this year. Bishop and Varlamov have both been playing like elite goaltenders this year. So which matters? What people call them, or what they really are?

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Lundquist is 18th this year in qualifying Save % according to ESPN. Some may call him "elite", but his numbers are not elite this year. Bishop and Varlamov have both been playing like elite goaltenders this year. So which matters? What people call them, or what they really are?
Was Mason elite because of 09? Was Bob elite because of last year? Is Bernier elite too because of this season?

Body of work > one season. Varly is just as likely to post .91 next season as he is to repeat his elite numbers.

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Was Mason elite because of 09? Was Bob elite because of last year? Is Bernier elite too because of this season?

Body of work > one season. Varly is just as likely to post .91 next season as he is to repeat his elite numbers.
My point was: what's the point of being an elite goaltender if you can't put up the same body of work you had in year's past. No one says Brodeur IS an elite goaltender, they say he WAS. I just didn't like him using Lundquist as an example of a goalie who is more elite than Varlamov, using his prior years as examples.

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Sorry, there are only 30 starting positions in the entire world in the NHL and when a goaie excels to be in conversation for the best for even one year they are most definitely elite at that point in time. Time is relative.

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Sorry, there are only 30 starting positions in the entire world in the NHL and when a goaie excels to be in conversation for the best for even one year they are most definitely elite at that point in time. Time is relative.
Exactly my point. The answer can only be relative when you are using relative terminology, like branding someone to be "elite".

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I don't consider him to be elite. I wouldn't feel secure putting him as the 3rd best goalie in the league, imo that's what elite is. He has to have more consistency before being considered elite.

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Not quite.

Goaltending is a lot easier when you aren't getting a lot of attention. Lets see how he does as he starts dealing with expectations and playoff scouting that will look to expose his weaknesses.
I'm sure playing for the greatest goalie in the NHL and having the pressure of making it onto the National Team for the Olympics in your own country has no pressure involved what so ever. Not like Varly had a down year last season too and was on the last year of his contract.

Varly knows pressure.

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I think we should downgrade our D because he does better when he has more SA.

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1 good season doesnt turn you into an elite goalie. anderson was amazing for 25 games last season too

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