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Semyon Varlamov is an elite goalie now

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03-16-2014, 08:06 PM
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He's doing his best to make the Caps org look like a bunch of fools. Not elite yet but at this rate he will be soon.

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03-16-2014, 08:08 PM
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Sorry, goalies that put up <.900 in the previous season aren't elite goalies the next season, no matter how good they are. Goaltending is far too volatile from year to year to label someone elite after one good season.
He's never put up <.900...

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03-16-2014, 08:12 PM
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The only thing that's ever held him back is the midseason cold spell. This year he hasn't had one. If he finishes the season strong he'll have cemented himself as a top class goalie. Dude just makes great saves and now doesn't let in confidence shattering softies or juicy rebounds either.

He's not very good with the puck, but that's fine, Patty never was either.

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03-16-2014, 08:14 PM
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He's never put up <.900...
Yeah but if you ignore the first half of last season when he was stellar, he had a truly awful year...

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03-16-2014, 08:15 PM
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He's never put up <.900...
You're right, my mistake. The point still stands, .903 is pretty bad last year and he'll need to show good numbers over a longer period of time than one season.

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03-16-2014, 08:18 PM
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You're right, my mistake. The point still stands, .903 is pretty bad last year and he'll need to show good numbers over a longer period of time than one season.
Spoken like a man who doesn't understand the powers of a Hunwick-Zanon first pairing being lead onto the ice by Joe Sacco.

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03-16-2014, 08:18 PM
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Varlamov has had more than one good season in his career though. He was fine with Washington as well.

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03-16-2014, 08:20 PM
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Spoken like a man who doesn't understand the powers of a Hunwick-Zanon first pairing being lead onto the ice by Joe Sacco.
Lehtonen had to deal with Robidas-Goligoski for 21+ a night with Glen Gulutzan, we're not so different.

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03-16-2014, 08:21 PM
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03-16-2014, 08:25 PM
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Lehtonen had to deal with Robidas-Goligoski for 21+ a night with Glen Gulutzan, we're not so different.
At least Goligoski and Robidas are still in the league. Zanon is somewhere unkown and Hunwick is riding the bus in LEM.

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03-16-2014, 08:25 PM
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Sorry, there are only 30 starting positions in the entire world in the NHL and when a goaie excels to be in conversation for the best for even one year they are most definitely elite at that point in time. Time is relative.
So we can just agree he's having an elite SEASON?

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You don't become an elite goalie in the regular season.

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03-16-2014, 08:26 PM
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Varlamov has had more than one good season in his career though. He was fine with Washington as well.
Good isn't ELITE. Good is good.

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03-16-2014, 08:27 PM
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So we can just agree he's having an elite SEASON?
Yeah, i think he will continue to have a few more though.

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03-16-2014, 08:28 PM
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Good isn't ELITE. Good is good.
Never said he was elite. I don't think he's elite yet, but think he could be one.

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what kind of elite are we talking here? we talking about a James Reimer level of eliteness?
no player in the league has hit that level of eliteness. Maybe Reimer, but even that's a stretch.

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03-16-2014, 08:31 PM
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Never said he was elite. I don't think he's elite yet, but think he could be one.
So in context of the thread discussion, what was your point in saying he had good seasons before?

I think most believe that an elite goalie has multiple elite seasons.

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03-16-2014, 08:32 PM
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Yeah, i think he will continue to have a few more though.
He proved to me a long time ago he's a great regular season goalie. Postseason is what really matters.

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03-16-2014, 08:33 PM
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So in context of the thread discussion, what was your point in saying he had good seasons before?

I think most believe that an elite goalie has multiple elite seasons.
Most people think he has one good year on his resume, which isn't true.

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03-16-2014, 08:34 PM
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He proved to me a long time ago he's a great regular season goalie. Postseason is what really matters.
He showed glimpses of what he could be in his first playoffs. And he was so young back then. I don't think it is out of the question that he will thrive under a well coached team in the playoffs. We will see this year.

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03-16-2014, 08:36 PM
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this thread raises an interesting question: when Washington drafts Yakupov, will they put him on Ovechkin's line or try to balance the offense?

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03-16-2014, 08:41 PM
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Just imagine if we had a real NHL D in front of him
He has a good NHL defense in front of him.

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03-16-2014, 08:54 PM
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Lundquist is 18th this year in qualifying Save % according to ESPN. Some may call him "elite", but his numbers are not elite this year. Bishop and Varlamov have both been playing like elite goaltenders this year. So which matters? What people call them, or what they really are?
Lundqvist is t-12th in SV% right now as per NHL.com

Secondly, it says something when a goaltender can do what he has done over nearly 600 games, and be as consistent as he is, compared to a player like Varlamov who has had one good season.

People on here don't understand that one good season doesn't make an athlete elite.

Is Kyle Okposo elite? Right now he is ranked 4th in the NHL in points, and has done quite well without Tavares?

So, by logic, if Varlamov is elite for having his first great season as a starter, ranking 5th in SV%, than logically, one must assume that Kyle Okposo is elite because he is 4th in the NHL and continues to produce at an "elite rate."

So, we have to look at a players consistency when concluding who is elite.

One great year doesn't make a player elite, and one off year doesn't make a player not elite (and like I said before, people have trashed Lundqvist this season, and he is still ranked t-12th in SV% and 5th in shutouts, not exactly a bad year).

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03-16-2014, 08:58 PM
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I predicted this to happen here and now we can probably agree that I was right.

Varlamov has entered the NHL with an incredible performance for the Caps in the play offs. Then he had a lot of injury problems which somewhat questioned his future, but the Avs management risked and traded for him.

Turns out they made a great move and they now have a young elite goalie.

One can argue that Avs are playing defensive hockey which might be true at some degree, but their defensive lineup is not great by any means. It's just Varlamov who has been great. Just look at the backup stats and you see the answer.

Varlamov is now tied for the first in the league for goalie wins, top 5 in SV%.

Congrats to the Avs fans.
I made a similar prediction here.

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You're right, my mistake. The point still stands, .903 is pretty bad last year and he'll need to show good numbers over a longer period of time than one season.
He was lights out in KHL last year and was pretty good for the first month when NHL returned. He had a weak last 20 games to the season when the rest of Avs were in free fall. Outside of that stretch, he's been very good for Avalanche.

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