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03-19-2014, 02:27 PM
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there is no room? Considering the Isles have one of the lowest payrolls in the league I would say there is alot of room

anyway good luck to yours and Snows team that you think is going to come together, having a proven 30 goal a year scorer who actually wanted to be here would have been awesome

and when you speak of 11 Games into the season, it was the Isles GM who thought the Isles were off to a "Unacceptable" start and they needed to make a deal
Cap room is different than roster room. He was going to be playing 3rd line minutes and making the 3rd line worse at ES.

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No room as in there is no proper spot on the roster for him. He's not the answer on the first line. He's the Dave Kingman of hockey, without the fame or notoriety.

I think you'd be hard-pressed to find many more on these forums who share your confidence in his ability to serve as a proper complimentary player to Tavares for the next 4-6 years.

He will probably get his contract payday but whatever team gives it to him is going to probably regret it.

The ONLY reasons I would have considered resigning him to be a good idea would have been to keep Tavares happy and if they were moving him to another line on a contract of reasonable cost and term.

Vanek was a gamble that didn't pay out, but the 1st hurts the team a heck of a lot more than losing MM, and even at that it shouldn't make that large of an impact despite the absolute waste of a season we just endured.
yes no room on our roster, we are oozing with talent and 30 goal a year scorers that we have to let him go

anyway good luck to yours and Garth Snow's plans, that gamble for Vanek was a gamble that anyone with an ounce of intelligence wouldn't have done

Now it is on to plan B

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03-19-2014, 02:36 PM
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yes no room on our roster, we are oozing with talent and 30 goal a year scorers that we have to let him go

anyway good luck to yours and Garth Snow's plans, that gamble for Vanek was a gamble that anyone with an ounce of intelligence wouldn't have done

Now it is on to plan B
Yes, that top line of JT, TV and KO looked dreadful. It was pointless to bring a superior player in here and try to sell him on staying. I remember all of those articles and interviews with sportwriters who thought this was a horrible idea right from the start!

anyway, good luck to yours and noone else's plans of building a team with 1-dimensional players.

Next up, find a goalie who can stop every puck shot from the left side (but is weak facing shots from the right or the slot) and a defenseman who is fantastic along the boards but can't play any other aspect of his position. Give 'em 5 mil each, since we have cap room.

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anyway good luck to yours and Garth Snow's plans, that gamble for Vanek was a gamble that anyone with an ounce of intelligence wouldn't have done
This made me laugh. While the trade didn't work out, and Snow should have gotten a good top pairing defensemen or starting goalie instead, anyone who watches hockey would rather have Vanek on Tavares wing then Moulson.

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Snow is the worst GM in the NHL , what else needs to be said

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Yes, that top line of JT, TV and KO looked dreadful. It was pointless to bring a superior player in here and try to sell him on staying. I remember all of those articles and interviews with sportwriters who thought this was a horrible idea right from the start!

anyway, good luck to yours and noone else's plans of building a team with 1-dimensional players.

Next up, find a goalie who can stop every puck shot from the left side (but is weak facing shots from the right or the slot) and a defenseman who is fantastic along the boards but can't play any other aspect of his position. Give 'em 5 mil each, since we have cap room.
First of all the Islanders were a worse team with Vanek then they were with Moulson, so I do not care about that month stretch where they were clicking

Second of all, you are missing the point and that is the trade for Vanek was stupid because the Isles chances of signing Vanek were slim to nill, what GM will throw away a guy who wants to be here for a guy who probably does not want to be here, and that GM will also throw in a 1st and a 2nd rounder?

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First of all the Islanders were a worse team with Vanek then they were with Moulson, so I do not care about that month stretch where they were clicking
Oh, because Vanek is solely responsible for the team being 'worse', and you're going to totally disregard the fact that Vanek, Tavares, Okposo was the best line in the NHL for a month. Tell me, how is the team worse? Making the playoffs once as an 8 seed isn't a great success or accomplishment, and comparing a portion of a season (in the middle) to Moulson's entire last season here is purely idiotic.

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Second of all, you are missing the point and that is the trade for Vanek was stupid because the Isles chances of signing Vanek were slim to nill, what GM will throw away a guy who wants to be here for a guy who probably does not want to be here, and that GM will also throw in a 1st and a 2nd rounder?
No. Nabby didn't want to come here and is still here, because he wants to be. Vis didn't want to come here and is still here, because he wants to be. The team has had success when having guys come in who didn't want to be here originally and keeping them, so your claim of 'slim to nill' is a bit off. Not to mention when we traded for Vanek, we were considered to be a team on the rise, unlike Buffalo who wasn't going to do anything for years.

And Moulson wasn't going to be here at the deadline or next season, how dense are you?

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he dragged Tavares down? Is that why Tavares said in an interview that he would be devastated if Moulson was ever not an Islander? Sure sounds like someone who is being dragged down
No, but it is the reason Tavares and Okposo had the best seasons of their career after he left. Chalk it up to "natural progression" if you're in denial but Okposo went from a .5 point per game player to a point per game player after Moulson left. Not much of a coincidence if you ask me.

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Oh, because Vanek is solely responsible for the team being 'worse', and you're going to totally disregard the fact that Vanek, Tavares, Okposo was the best line in the NHL for a month. Tell me, how is the team worse? Making the playoffs once as an 8 seed isn't a great success or accomplishment, and comparing a portion of a season (in the middle) to Moulson's entire last season here is purely idiotic.



No. Nabby didn't want to come here and is still here, because he wants to be. Vis didn't want to come here and is still here, because he wants to be. The team has had success when having guys come in who didn't want to be here originally and keeping them, so your claim of 'slim to nill' is a bit off. Not to mention when we traded for Vanek, we were considered to be a team on the rise, unlike Buffalo who wasn't going to do anything for years.

And Moulson wasn't going to be here at the deadline or next season, how dense are you?
Nabby are you kidding, that 38 year old who should have been shown the doors after the playoffs last year?

I am sure he is here because I doubt any other team would give him as much as Snow, and the same can be said for Visnovsky

It is amazing we are rewarding the guys who don't want to be here and are underachievers, and we are telling a guy who wants to be here that he can get lost

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03-19-2014, 03:13 PM
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I think you are forgetting that the Islanders were a playoff team last year, and this year we were in a playoff spot when Snow made that trade

and get used to seeing that guy? Well thanks to our GM that Islander logo is going to have a Sabre logo this year or next year, and any Islander fan who thinks with this current roster we are not going to be seeing those lottery's is fooling themselves

So what is your plan, when Vanek does not get the offers he is hoping for should we raise our offer to 8 years at 56 Million?
I think you're also forgetting that Nabby carried the team to the playoffs last season.

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Nabby are you kidding, that 38 year old who should have been shown the doors after the playoffs last year?

I am sure he is here because I doubt any other team would give him as much as Snow, and the same can be said for Visnovsky

It is amazing we are rewarding the guys who don't want to be here and are underachievers, and we are telling a guy who wants to be here that he can get lost
If you think Vis can't/couldn't get a job someplace else, you're mistaken. Nabby could've gotten a job somewhere else if he wanted. They like Long Island.

Moulson isn't as valuable as you think and he isn't, wasn't, and won't ever be better than Vanek. Stop crying about it. He was horrid at ES and couldn't do anything but score. Literally, he did nothing else. He was so bad defensively that I'd rather see the opposition come in on a 2 on 1 instead of a 2 on 2 if it meant Moulson was covering one of the D spots. He was that bad.

As for your Tavares sob story, they were friends. What else needs to be said? You can enjoy playing with someone, being teammates with them, etc. but that doesn't mean they are the best fit all the time. So just stop.

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If you think Vis can't/couldn't get a job someplace else, you're mistaken. Nabby could've gotten a job somewhere else if he wanted. They like Long Island.

Moulson isn't as valuable as you think and he isn't, wasn't, and won't ever be better than Vanek. Stop crying about it. He was horrid at ES and couldn't do anything but score. Literally, he did nothing else. He was so bad defensively that I'd rather see the opposition come in on a 2 on 1 instead of a 2 on 2 if it meant Moulson was covering one of the D spots. He was that bad.

As for your Tavares sob story, they were friends. What else needs to be said? You can enjoy playing with someone, being teammates with them, etc. but that doesn't mean they are the best fit all the time. So just stop.
they can get a job, but will Nabby get a 3.75 Million a year job

Will Visnovsky get a 9.50 Million 2 year contract at his age?

Laughable

anyway that is great that you do not like Moulson's defense, as stated he was a 30 goal a year scorer and he actually wanted to be here, not alot of those guys around the league

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So *** tired of Matt Moulson already. You'd think it was the LaFontaine or Turgeon trade all over again.

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Because he's a moron. End.

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This made me laugh. While the trade didn't work out, and Snow should have gotten a good top pairing defensemen or starting goalie instead, anyone who watches hockey would rather have Vanek on Tavares wing then Moulson.
Not that I disagree, but the delta might not be as wide as you think... it sure didn't seem like it from their respective trade deadline returns.

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I hate hypothetical but does anyone believe collusion against the Isles by the league and teams could have been in play?

Just to force Wang out, they want him to sell to the highest bidder and he is dragging his feet.

Just a thought...

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I hate hypothetical but does anyone believe collusion against the Isles by the league and teams could have been in play?

Just to force Wang out, they want him to sell to the highest bidder and he is dragging his feet.

Just a thought...
Collusion, where? in the Vanek return?

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Collusion, where? in the Vanek return?
Yes, in the Vanek return.

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It sounds like Moulson's camp wanted to start the negotiations at 6 Million a year, and from there Snow was insulted and he said the hell with this guy

Did Snow think because he "found" Moulson, Moulson should play for the Islanders for way under what he thought his market value is?

I can't help but think we could have locked up Moulson for 5 years at 5 Million per year and it could have also done wonders in keeping JT around when he is set for his next contract negotiation
I did not want MM for anything near 6M

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If you think Vis can't/couldn't get a job someplace else, you're mistaken. Nabby could've gotten a job somewhere else if he wanted. They like Long Island.

Moulson isn't as valuable as you think and he isn't, wasn't, and won't ever be better than Vanek. Stop crying about it. He was horrid at ES and couldn't do anything but score. Literally, he did nothing else. He was so bad defensively that I'd rather see the opposition come in on a 2 on 1 instead of a 2 on 2 if it meant Moulson was covering one of the D spots. He was that bad.

As for your Tavares sob story, they were friends. What else needs to be said? You can enjoy playing with someone, being teammates with them, etc. but that doesn't mean they are the best fit all the time. So just stop.
Nabby wasn't getting the same offers anywhere else that's why he came back. No one was going to offer him a starters job and pay him 3.5 mil. What was Snow thinking? He was beyond awful in last years playoffs.

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Just gonna throw this out there, but I for one am so,so glad that we arent stuck with Matt Moulson as our first line wing going forward for the next 5 or 6 years-- liked the guy but the team would never be good with him slotted there --- and after watching Vanek play, am nearly as equally happy that he isnt either. I can't stand unmotivated floaters--and he just had too many periods of time where he just seemed to be going through the motions wasting his obvious skill. Trade turned out to be crap, but as of right now, I have no problem with those 2 gone and hoping that one of the rookie forwards (Strome,Lee, or Nelson) grabs that spot and doesnt let go. So far watching them grow into nhl players is better than Moulson or Vanek even though the results obviously aren't there yet.

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he dragged Tavares down? Is that why Tavares said in an interview that he would be devastated if Moulson was ever not an Islander? Sure sounds like someone who is being dragged down
What did you expect him to say?

"Yea Matty isn't that great, in a perfect world I would LOVE a new winger who gets back on defense, forchecks hard, and isn't just a Powerplay specialist. But yea he's a great guy"

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Hind sight has 20/20 for all parties.

However...

While I understood idea of getting Vanek (big(ger) time winger for Tavares) at the time, the price made me gulp. Moulson plus a second? Fair enough. That floating first? Holy crap I'd have passed on it big time. That was not just playing with fire, that was sticking your hand in the middle of it.

If I was Snow and I was set on moving Moulson there would have been a couple of things that concerned me and I would want to address:

Effect on Tavares first and foremost. How does your franchise player take moving his linemate (all weakness he has he DID score 30 goals three years in row). JT handled it - at least publicly - like a pro. Ok, check that off.

To move Moulson - you must to get good value - you must get a return for an area of need or you don't move him.

I think you all can look at one of the polls in the main thread what our main needs are - goalie or top 4 defenseman. Snowang do not get it. The drop off in the scoring that Moulson provided would be negated by having an improved defense (via vet d-man and/or goalie) that you can see has a future. That would be smart money. But this management and coaching team is not smart and does not spend assets wisely.

Defense, balanced, smart, well-coached teams (even ones that may not have the talent levels of other teams), solid management is the foundation of what allows you to ice a competitive team every year.

Where Snowang failed was moving Moulson for a piece that was not a good fit to help get the FOUNDATION of this team in the right direction. Vanek was a luxury that this team did not need or nor could it afford.

For those of you who think otherwise let me ask a question:

If Snowangcap were an investment firm, would you let them handle YOUR assets? Please, one person here tell me that they would and let the free-for-all begin.


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I did not want MM for anything near 6M
Don't worry we don't need 1st line wingers. We have plenty 4th line players. I heard Richard Clune could be had for Strome!

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Yes, in the Vanek return.
lol that's quite the conspiracy theory. collude to drive down the price on Vanek so one team gets him for peanuts while the fans of the Islanders revolt and force out Wang?

this makes sense to you?

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