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Would you trade Malkin for Ovechkin, Penguin fans?

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03-19-2014, 10:58 PM
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So the Penguins trade a superior player in a more useful position, for a lazy goal scorer just to pad Crosby's stats?

The goal of a team is to win the cup, not win individual trophy's

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03-19-2014, 10:59 PM
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So the Penguins trade a superior player in a more useful position, for a lazy goal scorer just to pad Crosby's stats?

The goal of a team is to win the cup, not win individual trophy's
How has that been working out lately for the Pens?

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03-19-2014, 11:01 PM
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How has that been working out lately for the Pens?
That doesn't change the goal. So you are saying the Pens should just go after individual trophies? Cause' that is all the Pens would ever get again swapping Malkin with Ov.

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03-19-2014, 11:05 PM
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if crosby can turn his collection of mediocre wingers into 25+ goal scorers, i think he could turn ovie into a 250, 270 goal scorer. minimum

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03-19-2014, 11:06 PM
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That doesn't change the goal. So you are saying the Pens should just go after individual trophies? Cause' that is all the Pens would ever get again swapping Malkin with Ov.
No, that's exactly what I'm not saying. What I'm saying is Malkin/OV/Crosby as similar type of players. They will all get individual accolades, but none of it is translating into Cup success. So how can swapping Malkin with OV change anything?

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03-19-2014, 11:07 PM
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Look again.
LMFAO. Ok, they had the #1 PP in the league all year until yesterday or the day before. .2 behind #1...oooooooh to make a ****ing point.

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03-19-2014, 11:07 PM
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How has that been working out lately for the Pens?
Better than it has for Washington. Does that mean Malkin > Ovechkin?

You do your best to build a great team, not put 2 great players on 1 line so that you sell more tickets. Malkin at 2nd center is imo, a better winning strategy for Pittsburgh than Sutter as 2nd line center and Ovechkin on the top line. The Penguins would be down to only 1 line that could score without Geno.

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03-19-2014, 11:08 PM
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No, that's exactly what I'm not saying. What I'm saying is Malkin/OV/Crosby as similar type of players. They will all get individual accolades, but none of it is translating into Cup success. So how can swapping Malkin with OV change anything?
If you understand the Pens you will understand this.


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03-19-2014, 11:10 PM
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No, that's exactly what I'm not saying. What I'm saying is Malkin/OV/Crosby as similar type of players. They will all get individual accolades, but none of it is translating into Cup success. So how can swapping Malkin with OV change anything?
Because they aren't all exactly the same player/position? If Malkin is better than Ovechkin, and Pittsburgh needs a great #2 center instead of a winger, than why would they do the opposite and take Ovechkin?

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03-19-2014, 11:12 PM
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As a neutral observer....I would say no on Pittsburgh's end.

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03-19-2014, 11:13 PM
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No, that's exactly what I'm not saying. What I'm saying is Malkin/OV/Crosby as similar type of players. They will all get individual accolades, but none of it is translating into Cup success. So how can swapping Malkin with OV change anything?
we won our cup Because of that 1-2-3 punch at center that most of the teams couldn't match. IF we had Ovechkin instead of Malkin that year, we don't win the cup. Malkin basically played with Fedetenko & Talbot and won the Conn Smythe. Staal at the time just wasn't ready to be a 2nd line center.

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03-19-2014, 11:15 PM
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Kuntiz - Sid - Dupius
Jokinen - Malkin - Neal

Is better than:
Kuntiz - Sid - Ovie
Jokinen - Sutter - Neal

However,
Kuntiz - Sid - Ovie/Neal
Jokinen - J. Staal - Neal/Ovie

Is very interesting and something worth exploring. But that ship has sailed.

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03-19-2014, 11:22 PM
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From a business standpoint having Ovechkin and Crosby are still the two poster boys for this league... and them being on the same team would mean a lot of $$$.

From a hockey standpoint i'm not sure if they would gel together 5 on 5, both love to have possession of the puck and make a play happen. But on the Powerplay... that's a different story, wouldn't even be fair.

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03-19-2014, 11:31 PM
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It would almost be worth it to see people's reactions when Ovechkin is on the second line being centered by Jokinen.

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03-19-2014, 11:41 PM
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How has that been working out lately for the Pens?
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No, that's exactly what I'm not saying. What I'm saying is Malkin/OV/Crosby as similar type of players. They will all get individual accolades, but none of it is translating into Cup success. So how can swapping Malkin with OV change anything?
Uhhh it could make the team worse? Plus reduce any chance they have to slim? They already won a cup where Malkin was the playoff MVP. Malkin is the better overall player all things considered, and when you factor in Pitt the answer is clear.

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03-20-2014, 12:36 AM
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No way. The Penguins would start declining, not even making the playoffs since that's what Ovie does to a team.

Malkin is way more valuable than Ovechkin. It's not even close.
What?

The Caps have made the playoffs 6 seasons in a row.

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03-20-2014, 12:50 AM
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Interesting. Both teams decline because of depth issues. Pens fans don't want Sutter at 2C, and Caps really can't afford to have Joel Ward be their leading goal scorer.

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03-20-2014, 01:22 AM
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What?

The Caps have made the playoffs 6 seasons in a row.
Don't try to trick us into taking an inferior player, we all know Jay Beagle and John Erskine are the keys to Washington's success.

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03-20-2014, 01:23 AM
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Don't try to trick us into taking an inferior player, we all know Jay Beagle and John Erskine are the keys to Washington's success.
You think you're joking, but Jay Beagle is currently the 1C

Backstrom is on the 2nd line.

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03-20-2014, 01:28 AM
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You think you're joking, but Jay Beagle is currently the 1C

Backstrom is on the 2nd line. And now you know why the Caps are going to miss the playoffs.
Tanner Glass and Craig Adams have probably played more with Crosby than anyone besides Kunitz at even strength this year, if it makes you feel any better.

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03-20-2014, 02:28 AM
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I fully understand Pit fans, I wouldnt do it from their pov either. Its just pure gold to have that C depth you guys have.

That being said.

You can bash Ovie all you want, that doesnt change the fact he is the best goal scorer in the world, playing in mediocre team with no secondary scoring and under a mediocre coach who doesnt know nothing but PP and some weird fetish-stuff about handedness. I wouldnt give him up to have Malkin, who knows how much his level would regress here.

Ovie isnt bringing the team down, the team is bringing him down. Would love to see him in a great team, where coach has the right tools to use him to the max and ask for work ethic and D too. I dont blame Ovie for not having the passion he used to have or not taking part on D, I blame Oates. And the weather too.

And still, Ovie is winning the Rocket-trophy second time in a row. Rather than trading him, I would trade the whole team, starting from GM and coach. We still have few years left..

Can only imagine Ovie's production on a solid team like the Penguins.


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03-20-2014, 04:18 AM
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Malkin is at least worth at least 3 stray dogs more than Ovechkin.

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03-20-2014, 04:37 AM
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I wouldn't do this.

Can see why Pens fans would decline aswell.

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03-20-2014, 05:16 AM
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sorry. but just no. need i say why. dont think so.

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03-20-2014, 05:43 AM
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From a business standpoint having Ovechkin and Crosby are still the two poster boys for this league... and them being on the same team would mean a lot of $$$.

From a hockey standpoint i'm not sure if they would gel together 5 on 5, both love to have possession of the puck and make a play happen. But on the Powerplay... that's a different story, wouldn't even be fair.
I disagree. Ovechkin's not the primary puck carrier on his line anymore and he's focused more on getting into scoring position for a pass. Crosby can carry the puck, work the boards and find Ovechkin in scoring position, as well as clean up rebounds around the net, something Ovechkin's current linemates have trouble doing. Crosby's the best in the league at creating chances for his line mates and Ovechkin is probably the best (possibly Stamkos) at finding seems and converting those chances.

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