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10-01-2003, 07:37 AM
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Nashville-Edmonton proposal

K Nashville wants a playoff spot as was evident by the playoff return marketing ploy but have a lot of young guys who r close to breaking through but are not quite there yet and Edmonton wants to unload Comrie who has already broke through and is a solid point producer with a good return in young players.

First trade is more of a fantasy trade because most people in Nashville think Hamhuis and Legwand are the future of the franchise.Last two are a little more reasoable

1)To Nashville:
Comrie (established point producing playmaker center)
Rita (Nashville is short on talented left wingers coming up in their system Rita could have a huge impact in the next 1-2yrs)
Lynch (good d prospect replaces depth lost by Hamhuis and will most likely make it in the bigs sooner or later)
2nd pick 2004 (sweeten the deal two franchise players r hard to get)

To Edm:
Legwand (some say he can be as good as Modano(wishful thinking?) but surely a potential superstar who has a more complete game but lower point totals than Comrie)
Hamhuis (complete package d-man top 1st pairing calibre, delivers one heck of a hip check)
6th pick 2004 (balance?)

2)To Nashville:
Comrie

To Edm:
Arkhipov (bad year last year but will likely rebound but still won't put up 60-70 pt numbers like Comrie will, more of a two-way player than Comrie)
Stehlik (depth d might make it to the league most likely 3rd pairing d but good skater and a monster at 6ft4 245lbs)

3)To Nashville:
Comrie (this trade does not move a center might have to do a seperate trade after to make room for Comrie)

To Edm:
Upshall(Lowe has wanted this kid for a while gritty hard worker with good skating decent hands and awesome board work)
Zidlicky(offensive defenseman with good puck handling should be nhl ready pretty soon but needs to convert from european game to NA game very high point totals in Finland for a defense man)

talk about the trades or provide counter-proposals the second is my favourite its simple and just fills each teams needs

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No on the first one because Hamhuis and Legwand are something pretty special to Nashville. Legwand especially since he is their franchise player.

 
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I'd take #1 if I were Edmonton.

#2, decent offer, probably.

#3, no in my opinion.

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K Nashville wants a playoff spot as was evident by the playoff return marketing ploy but have a lot of young guys who r close to breaking through but are not quite there yet and Edmonton wants to unload Comrie who has already broke through and is a solid point producer with a good return in young players.

First trade is more of a fantasy trade because most people in Nashville think Hamhuis and Legwand are the future of the franchise.Last two are a little more reasoable

1)To Nashville:
Comrie (established point producing playmaker center)
Rita (Nashville is short on talented left wingers coming up in their system Rita could have a huge impact in the next 1-2yrs)
Lynch (good d prospect replaces depth lost by Hamhuis and will most likely make it in the bigs sooner or later)
2nd pick 2004 (sweeten the deal two franchise players r hard to get)

To Edm:
Legwand (some say he can be as good as Modano(wishful thinking?) but surely a potential superstar who has a more complete game but lower point totals than Comrie)
Hamhuis (complete package d-man top 1st pairing calibre, delivers one heck of a hip check)
6th pick 2004 (balance?)

2)To Nashville:
Comrie

To Edm:
Arkhipov (bad year last year but will likely rebound but still won't put up 60-70 pt numbers like Comrie will, more of a two-way player than Comrie)
Stehlik (depth d might make it to the league most likely 3rd pairing d but good skater and a monster at 6ft4 245lbs)

3)To Nashville:
Comrie (this trade does not move a center might have to do a seperate trade after to make room for Comrie)

To Edm:
Upshall(Lowe has wanted this kid for a while gritty hard worker with good skating decent hands and awesome board work)
Zidlicky(offensive defenseman with good puck handling should be nhl ready pretty soon but needs to convert from european game to NA game very high point totals in Finland for a defense man)

talk about the trades or provide counter-proposals the second is my favourite its simple and just fills each teams needs
1- this one is pretty brutal. Legwand for Comrie is sort of a wash. Legwand is a proven top-notch defensive forward...whose scoring is starting to catch up. Comrie is a proven scorer, but Nashville has never been fond of forwards that shy away from a checking game. Rita is a pretty solid prospect, but he's yet to crack Edmonton's lineup, regardless of how much the fans have wanted him to. Factoring in Hamhuis..a future first pairing d-man that is on the cusp of making the team....way too lopsided in Edmonton's favor. This one is unrealistic, but I'll give you this hint...someone a bit more NHL ready would have to be coming back defensively, replacing rita\lynch. I'm thinking Bergeron, maybe.

2.- this one is a little bit more reasonable. arkhipov is a question mark at this point. people forget...he came into this league as a pure scorer, and potted 20 goals in his first full season. he fell off last year, but it wasn't for lack of ability...the guy seemed to be struggling with confidence issues, and i think that if he relaxes and cools his head off, he could regain that form...but he might not. not GREAT defensively, but good enough. Stehlik looked much better than anyone thought he would, in camp this year....at times, the best of our defensive prospects. booming shot....though never on net...and great skater. also...size is something that can't be taught, and the guy is absolutely HUGE. overall...with the depth of our defensive prospects...I'd do this deal. Poile probably wouldn't...but i would.

3. Edmonton wouldn't do this. Upshall has loads of potential as a checking forward, but he's not there, yet. He, most likely, isn't even going to make the team this year, in nashville...but will benefit from a full year in the minors. Zidlicky is a question mark....could either be a better version of timonen(which is what finnish fans tell us, and his skillset seems to suggest) or he could be a total bust(edmonton fans are familiar with jiri dopita) the deal doesn't work for either team...nashville really can't afford to give up an NHL ready defenseman, at this point.

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1- this one is pretty brutal. Legwand for Comrie is sort of a wash. Legwand is a proven top-notch defensive forward...whose scoring is starting to catch up. Comrie is a proven scorer, but Nashville has never been fond of forwards that shy away from a checking game. Rita is a pretty solid prospect, but he's yet to crack Edmonton's lineup, regardless of how much the fans have wanted him to. Factoring in Hamhuis..a future first pairing d-man that is on the cusp of making the team....way too lopsided in Edmonton's favor. This one is unrealistic, but I'll give you this hint...someone a bit more NHL ready would have to be coming back defensively, replacing rita\lynch. I'm thinking Bergeron, maybe.

2.- this one is a little bit more reasonable. arkhipov is a question mark at this point. people forget...he came into this league as a pure scorer, and potted 20 goals in his first full season. he fell off last year, but it wasn't for lack of ability...the guy seemed to be struggling with confidence issues, and i think that if he relaxes and cools his head off, he could regain that form...but he might not. not GREAT defensively, but good enough. Stehlik looked much better than anyone thought he would, in camp this year....at times, the best of our defensive prospects. booming shot....though never on net...and great skater. also...size is something that can't be taught, and the guy is absolutely HUGE. overall...with the depth of our defensive prospects...I'd do this deal. Poile probably wouldn't...but i would.

3. Edmonton wouldn't do this. Upshall has loads of potential as a checking forward, but he's not there, yet. He, most likely, isn't even going to make the team this year, in nashville...but will benefit from a full year in the minors. Zidlicky is a question mark....could either be a better version of timonen(which is what finnish fans tell us, and his skillset seems to suggest) or he could be a total bust(edmonton fans are familiar with jiri dopita) the deal doesn't work for either team...nashville really can't afford to give up an NHL ready defenseman, at this point.
As an Edmonton fan, I would definitely trade Comrie, Rita and Bergeron for Legwand, Hamhuis and a 6th.

It's probably fair value, but I'm sure I'll hear about it if it's not

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As an Edmonton fan, I would definitely trade Comrie, Rita and Bergeron for Legwand, Hamhuis and a 6th.

It's probably fair value, but I'm sure I'll hear about it if it's not
i think it's fair, value-wise...but like i was saying, it's one of those "legwand is more valuable to nashville than anything we could get in return" types of guys. it would be suicide to the heart of the Preds...and would probably create a pretty ugly backlash in nashville. a year ago...preds fans would have been looking for pens to collectively sign this deal...but legwand changed a lot of minds last year, and moving him would destroy us.

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1- this one is pretty brutal. Legwand for Comrie is sort of a wash. Legwand is a proven top-notch defensive forward...whose scoring is starting to catch up. Comrie is a proven scorer, but Nashville has never been fond of forwards that shy away from a checking game. Rita is a pretty solid prospect, but he's yet to crack Edmonton's lineup, regardless of how much the fans have wanted him to. Factoring in Hamhuis..a future first pairing d-man that is on the cusp of making the team....way too lopsided in Edmonton's favor. This one is unrealistic, but I'll give you this hint...someone a bit more NHL ready would have to be coming back defensively, replacing rita\lynch. I'm thinking Bergeron, maybe.

2.- this one is a little bit more reasonable. arkhipov is a question mark at this point. people forget...he came into this league as a pure scorer, and potted 20 goals in his first full season. he fell off last year, but it wasn't for lack of ability...the guy seemed to be struggling with confidence issues, and i think that if he relaxes and cools his head off, he could regain that form...but he might not. not GREAT defensively, but good enough. Stehlik looked much better than anyone thought he would, in camp this year....at times, the best of our defensive prospects. booming shot....though never on net...and great skater. also...size is something that can't be taught, and the guy is absolutely HUGE. overall...with the depth of our defensive prospects...I'd do this deal. Poile probably wouldn't...but i would.

3. Edmonton wouldn't do this. Upshall has loads of potential as a checking forward, but he's not there, yet. He, most likely, isn't even going to make the team this year, in nashville...but will benefit from a full year in the minors. Zidlicky is a question mark....could either be a better version of timonen(which is what finnish fans tell us, and his skillset seems to suggest) or he could be a total bust(edmonton fans are familiar with jiri dopita) the deal doesn't work for either team...nashville really can't afford to give up an NHL ready defenseman, at this point.
1)Ya as I said the first was more fantasy oriented what else would u want? I'd say Bergeron is not a great deal better than Lynch if I was u I would ask for Staios(highly under-rated and on the cheap side) this would seriously hurt Edmonton's top 4 but Hamhuis should be able to sneak into our top 6 and we can move someone up but would probably cost us the season still. Hamhuis would probably be worth the risk still though and Comrie is not a checker because of his size but hes fiesty and has heart and still occasionaly lays a tiny bit of the body when he's in a crazy mood.

2)I'd say the second trade is very reasonable and do-able u talk about Arkhipov being a pure goal scorer and netting 20 in his first season but Comrie got 33 in his first full season. Comrie's second full season while less productive because of injury not self-confidence which is harder to treat he still put up a decent 51points in 69 games. Stehlik is a big wild card I don't think u can really say he is NHL ready yet and comparing him to Timmonen is premature. As an Oiler fan I would say this is the deal to do as both teams benefit Edmonton takes greater risk with possible higher pay-off but if Nashville wants to be playoff team like their GM boasted these r the kind of moves u have to make.

3)Lowe has a huge hard-on for Upshall and our team is deep enough to survive without him for a while and we will make room for him when he is ready u say u can't survive without replacement d y don't u expand the deal then we can probably quite easily give up Cross or Ferguson for a pick so long as were getting a depth d back in Zidlicky.

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i think it's fair, value-wise...but like i was saying, it's one of those "legwand is more valuable to nashville than anything we could get in return" types of guys. it would be suicide to the heart of the Preds...and would probably create a pretty ugly backlash in nashville. a year ago...preds fans would have been looking for pens to collectively sign this deal...but legwand changed a lot of minds last year, and moving him would destroy us.
Fair enough. By the way, you wouldn't happen to have any interest on a Hamhuis/3rd or 4th for Rita and Bergeron swap, would ya?

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Fair enough. By the way, you wouldn't happen to have any interest on a Hamhuis/3rd or 4th for Rita and Bergeron swap, would ya?
Edmonton would love Suter just as much as Hamhuis if its easier for u but u just drafted him so I thought I would not mention him

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This one is unrealistic, but I'll give you this hint...someone a bit more NHL ready would have to be coming back defensively, replacing rita\lynch. I'm thinking Bergeron, maybe.
I don't think swapping Bergeron in makes it any more realistic, however. While he's an interesting and entertaining little guy, I think realistically he will top out as a 3rd pairing D and powerplay specialist. If I were the Predlies, I'd want a lot more before I considered putting Hamhuis in the mix.

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Fair enough. By the way, you wouldn't happen to have any interest on a Hamhuis/3rd or 4th for Rita and Bergeron swap, would ya?
not particularly
bergeron doesn't really have the upside that hamhuis has...or even close to it. i was kind of thinking of him as someone that could play the tail end of the lineup for a couple of years until Suter can break in, but...that's a pretty painful deal for the preds, honestly.

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1.) No from Nashville. They can't lose legwand and replace him with Comrie, simply b/c of Na's system. However, I do think that it is not outrageously unfair. Its pretty bablanced, but like NMK said, its franchise suicide. Nashville fans really do not know much about our team other than Legwand and a few of the guys that have been getting the hype after being selected in the draft

2.) Fair I would say. The most workable option of the three. Stehlik I believe was a steal in the draft, is huge, and can fire the puck quite well. I think you are underestimating him a tad. I think he could be a top 4 d-man in the future. Tradewise - Good for both teams. Arkiphov would excel in Edmonton and Stehlik would most likely have a better chance at making the team rather than in NA, which are loaded with D-prospects. Comrie would add a huge boost to Nashvilles offense.

3.) As a predator fan, I would hate to do this trade. Edmonton probably couldn't do it either as Upshall most likely needs another year before he is completely NHL ready. Also, NA is weak on D and would need a ready 5/6 d-man coming back for Zidlicky.

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not particularly
bergeron doesn't really have the upside that hamhuis has...or even close to it. i was kind of thinking of him as someone that could play the tail end of the lineup for a couple of years until Suter can break in, but...that's a pretty painful deal for the preds, honestly.
i agree

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not particularly
bergeron doesn't really have the upside that hamhuis has...or even close to it. i was kind of thinking of him as someone that could play the tail end of the lineup for a couple of years until Suter can break in, but...that's a pretty painful deal for the preds, honestly.
Yep, your right. I was lowballing ya

I would think that any deal involving Hamhuis would have to include Comrie. Hamhuis and "?" for Comrie. What the "?" is, I don't know, but what a 1-2 punch in Legwand and Comrie you would have.

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I have a few questions. First is Comrie signed? If so, for how much and how long? Second, will Rita make the team this year?

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I have a few questions. First is Comrie signed? If so, for how much and how long? Second, will Rita make the team this year?
Comrie is not signed but speculation is $2million for a one year contract. Rita has a good chance to make the team this year but nothing is certain till final cuts are made and rosters are solidified if he does not he will definetly get a call up and MacT said he will give him all the opportunities to prove himself.

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no to deal one and three from nashville's side.. we get hosed IMO.. also.. the 2nd one is plausible..

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So lets go from the second deal as everyone including myself likes it best.

To Nsh:
Comrie

To Edm:
Arkhipov
Stehlik

Now is there anything that u think we should add to the deal to improve the balance or expand it to increase the benfit for both teams.
I'll propose one as I said before Kevin Lowe wants Upshall pretty bad and Edmonton has really good depth on Lw while a little shorter on the Rw. Nashville is just the opposite good depth on Rw but short on the Lw the bottom two pages demonstrate this-

Edmonton hockey futures page:
http://www.hockeysfuture.com/team.php?team=10

Nashville hockey futures page:
http://www.hockeysfuture.com/team.php?team=6

Now Upshall and Rita are of very close in value so I propose this addition to the deal-

To Nsh:
Comrie
Rita

To Edm:
Arkhipov
Stehlik
Upshall

Opinions?

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So lets go from the second deal as everyone including myself likes it best.

To Nsh:
Comrie

To Edm:
Arkhipov
Stehlik

Now is there anything that u think we should add to the deal to improve the balance or expand it to increase the benfit for both teams.
I'll propose one as I said before Kevin Lowe wants Upshall pretty bad and Edmonton has really good depth on Lw while a little shorter on the Rw. Nashville is just the opposite good depth on Rw but short on the Lw the bottom two pages demonstrate this-

Edmonton hockey futures page:
http://www.hockeysfuture.com/team.php?team=10

Nashville hockey futures page:
http://www.hockeysfuture.com/team.php?team=6

Now Upshall and Rita are of very close in value so I propose this addition to the deal-

To Nsh:
Comrie
Rita

To Edm:
Arkhipov
Stehlik
Upshall

Opinions?
Sorry man, regardless of what they're rated, I don't think Rita and Upshall are close in value. Rita and a 2nd might be of value, but even that wouldn't be enough to land him.

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Sorry man, regardless of what they're rated, I don't think Rita and Upshall are close in value. Rita and a 2nd might be of value, but even that wouldn't be enough to land him.
Agreed. Nashville would be hardpressed to give Upshall straight up for Rita. He's the prototypical Predator and is likely just as NHL ready as Rita and he's 2 years younger (this isn't my only reasoning for saying he's better, but it's the one I thought I'd mention). We might do something like Rita and a pick if we see something in Rita that we really, really like.

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Agreed. Nashville would be hardpressed to give Upshall straight up for Rita. He's the prototypical Predator and is likely just as NHL ready as Rita and he's 2 years younger (this isn't my only reasoning for saying he's better, but it's the one I thought I'd mention). We might do something like Rita and a pick if we see something in Rita that we really, really like.
Well Smokey, there's a lot to like about Rita. He's got good size (6'1, 206), very strong in the corners, can play either wing, has a great shot, isn't defensively inept, and supposedly a good guy in the dressing room. It's just the numbers game in Edmonton that keeps him out of the line-up, as he did score 3 goals in 12 games for the Oilers last year. He needs to learn to be more consistant, but he's only 22, so that'll come with time.

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k I really like what Upshall brings to the table in his style and think he fits quite well with the Oiler's as well but our congestion on Lw makes me want to deal Rita, actually I would say the Edmonton and Nashville organizations draft quite simlairly with Edmonton a slight bit more emphasis on fast skaters and Nashville a little more on size and checking.

try this again,

To Nsh:
Comrie
Rita(built solid good goal scorer seen him play enough to know for a fact he won't be a bust, probably 25-30goal scorer in his peak)
2nd pick 2004

To Edm:
Arkhipov
Stehlik
Upshall
4th pick 2004(Rita+2nd pick>Upshall anything more would definetly be overkill take it or leave it)

I definetly think our organizations need to swap some prospects to balance it out but maybe they should start at the bottom of the deck instead of the top but dealing with them is a little boring, I'd like a spicier trade.

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The first one is a little too good to be true for the Oilers, but I don't really like numbers 2 or three from an Edmonton POV.

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Deal one I LOVE, but Nashville wouldn't quite as much as I do. 2 and 3 aren't good IMO. But the combo of two/three make more sense to me. I could see a:

To Nsh:
Comrie
Rita


To Edm:
Arkhipov
Stehlik
Upshall

Comrie>Arkhipov
this one is obviou

Rita=Upshall
even though Ryno doesn' feel they are close, that is only his opinion, and one that I think is off - they close, but Rita has more scoring potential IMO

I think the Stehlik makes up for the loss the Oilers take on Comrie/Arkhipov.

Moving Upshall makes sense for the Preds as him and Tootoo are great prospects, but not scoring prospects... this would help relieve a bit of a log jam at RW for them and would help a thinner LW. The Oilers could use the decent D prospect, and Lowe, as stated, loves Upshall.

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I disagree. Upshall is the preds no. 2 prospect if Suter isn't factored in. Hes the ideal of Predator hockey and will be great for this franchise. This being said, it will take a lot to move him....although not as much as hammer or Legwand.

I doubt Pollie deals Upshall for Rita straight up for many reasons, but I'll give you this one. Fanbase here in Nashville is beginning to cling to its draft picks. Pollie touts them around at several events and has the fans meet them and get their autographs all the time. Dealing one straight up for a prospect of equal/lesser value is not a good management decision.

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