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03-25-2014, 10:08 AM
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What you expect for next year?

lines I want to see

Lee Tavares Okposo

Nelson Strome/Neilsen FA/Bailey

Grabner Strome/Neilsen FA/Bailey

Martin Cizikas Clutterbuck


Dehann Hamonic

Reinhart FA

Hickey/Strait Vis


Powerplay Unit 1

Lee Tavares Okposo

Neilsen Vis


Powerplay 2

Nelson Strome FA/Grabner/Bailey

Reinhart Dehann


Goalies
FA
Nabokov

Thoughts?

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I can tell you what I dont want to see...


I dont want to see Strait and Carkner.

I was a big a Bailey fan as any but If we can trade him then I say do it...

I dont want to see Poulin and/or Nilsson as one of our goalies...Would be fine with a starting Hiller or Halak wirh Nabby as back up...

I dont want to see Capuano Thompson Weight behind the bench...I love Weight and I want him in the organization but as a assistant coach and in charge of the PP he has failed...with Players like Tavares Okposo Nielsen Nelson Vanek Strome de Hann Viz you should not be in the bottom 5 of the league for PP...

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Too early to tell. Let's see what happens in the off season first.

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Ask me right before the season starts.

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I can tell you what I dont want to see...


I dont want to see Strait and Carkner.

I was a big a Bailey fan as any but If we can trade him then I say do it...

I dont want to see Poulin and/or Nilsson as one of our goalies...Would be fine with a starting Hiller or Halak wirh Nabby as back up...

I dont want to see Capuano Thompson Weight behind the bench...I love Weight and I want him in the organization but as a assistant coach and in charge of the PP he has failed...with Players like Tavares Okposo Nielsen Nelson Vanek Strome de Hann Viz you should not be in the bottom 5 of the league for PP...
I agree with you but I have the reverse order. First and foremost, get rid of this coaching staff. I look at well coached teams and their systems make their players better, I think we all agree that is the reverse with Flintstones's system and I adding in Weight's PP and Thompson PK. Even the f'in Rags--their PP was horrific last year, bring in a better coach and their PP is fast and fluid. Their PK is aggressive and the even strength even looks much better. Goalie is the most obvious on-ice need. No more "hopes and wishes" on goalies, get a proven commodity in here and overpay him if necessary. Bailey would have one more try with a proven coach, if not, he is shipped. Carkner and Strait will ultimately be pressbox guys so they don't move the needle that much.

The only other thing I wanna see is some veteran leadership, and not scragglers for their last hurrah in the league. One face-off specialist from a winning organization and at least one veteran D-man (maybe two because of the Viz concussion issue).

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even though I'm hoping this isn't the case, I have a bad feeling this will be true

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03-25-2014, 11:29 AM
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I don't really expect much change other than get to the cap floor. Nabby will be back and hopefully a new #1 goalie to compete with him for playing time. Maybe an aging free agent D-man to supplement our rookies. Strait and Carkner aren't going anywhere for at least another year. If Strait can somehow stay healthy I think he's a great bottom pairing D-man. I hope never to see Donovan, Ness, and Poulin again though.

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03-25-2014, 11:53 AM
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"expect" for next year? much of the same as what we've seen the last 6-7 years, under current management. Expecting anything else is foolish.

"hope" for next year?
- starting goaltender that's better than Nabokov
- veteran defenseman or two
- the forwards are fine, especially with Tavares, they will score enough goals to win. Playing defensively is another story but guys like Strome, Nelson, Lee will need to show solid two-way games that typically comes with NHL experience that they lack. But forwards are not the problem on this team.

Lee - Tavares - Okposo
Nelson - Strome - Bailey
Grabner - Nielsen - Clutterbuck
Cizikas - Martin - Halmo/McDonald/Boulton

The defense needs some experience and quality, at least TWO veteran dmen.

deHaan, Visnovsky, Hamonic, Hickey - only Hamonic can move people, the other three are all similar, small puck movers that can't shoot or create much offense (though CDH has potential)

Depth only: Strait, Carkner, Donovan, Czuczman (adequate depth)

Reinhart, Pokka, Pulock (if we rely on 1-2 of these guys to play big minutes then expect another lottery pick (for the NYI or BUF - TBD June 1st)

If Snow keeps this year's top four pick, it's very unlikely that player will help the Islanders next year. So he MUST upgrade the team and spend some dollars to avoid a McDisaster! He should consider dealing the pick this year, for an established player, if that's even possible.

This team makes me sick.

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03-25-2014, 11:56 AM
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Sadly, I don't expect much from the Islanders next year. I don't think anyone will be knocking on our free agency door in the off season. I just hope JT doesn't demand a trade, but could you blame him? We have an owner that's not committed to winning, this alone means no hope for the Islanders.


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I've been thinking about who will be our core by the time we arrive in Brooklyn. Making educated guesses can be hazardous, but it can also be fun.

Here are the players we have signed through 2016 (I assume we re-sign RFAs Lee {2014}, Cizikas {2014}, de Haan {2014), and Nelson {2015}) who I consider to be part of the core:

Forwards:
Tavares, Grabner*, Okposo*, Clutterbuck*, Nielsen*, Nelson, Lee, Cizikas

Defensemen:
de Haan, Hamonic

Goalies:
None

Players with asterisks are those who become free agents in 2016.

I really have no idea whether I should include Bailey. He has been disappointing this year, but his trade value has to be minimal. Halmo and Martin might be battling each other for the same role. Strait is signed through 2016, but I'd like to think some of the prospects push him out. McDonald and Hickey are signed through 2015 and could get squeezed out. And there's the caveat that we trade some of our best established players or prospects.

Among the prospects, Reinhart and Pulock seem like the safest bets and could end up paired together. Pelech and Pokka are also in the mix. It's too early to have much of an idea about Czuzchman, but he might be involved. That's a really young defense, however, so I'd like to sign or trade for a veteran.

There are reasons to be hopeful. It's not like our current team is devoid of talent. We have promising prospects. We have lots of cap space. I just don't have much faith in Wang, Snow, or Capuano.

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Reinhart, Pokka, Pulock (if we rely on 1-2 of these guys to play big minutes then expect another lottery pick (for the NYI or BUF - TBD June 1st)
How would you like to see these three introduced? We're going to have to bite the bullet when it comes to playing our young defensemen at some point.

For me, the best-case scenario is that Visnovsky is healthy enough to serve as Reinhart's partner in 2014-15. Pulock works on his game in the AHL and is ready for the NHL by the time we're in Brooklyn. Eventually, Reinhart and Pulock are paired together. Unfortunately, Visnovsky doesn't seem to be a safe assumption for 2014-15.

I really have no idea what might work for Pokka. He'll probably need some time to acclimate to the North American game. And we still have to sign him.

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03-25-2014, 12:15 PM
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Everything hinges on who our starting goaltender is going to be. It's going to be hard to comment until then.

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03-25-2014, 12:19 PM
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I would like to Sign Mason Raymond (2-3 mill per...3.5 mill short term if your over paying).
Sign/trade for a goalie PLEASE.

Lee-JT-Okposo
Strome-Nielson-Raymond
Grabner-Nelson- Clutterbuck/Mcdonald
Martin-Cizikas- McDonald/clutterbuck
(Yes you might pick up on the fact that Bailey is not in the lineup....I would trade him for a 4th round pick at this point)

DeHAAN-Hamonic
Reinhart-Viz
Hickey-Strait

(I would love for them to sign Niskanen but lets be real)

Also would like to think a little outside the box in goal....I like Nabby and wouldn't cry if he can back as a backup BUT I think if we sign him we will also see a lessor goalie signed with potential to overtake Nabby as the season goes on.

Greiss
Nabby

Yes we would all like Miller, Hiller etc. but I think we would be closer to signing Dudnyk, Vokoun or Giggy then Miller or Hiller. Who knows what they will do if anything at all.

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03-25-2014, 12:24 PM
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it all depends what players we get on July 14th

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My expectation?

Lee - Tavares - Okposo
Bailey - Nelson - Strome
Grabner - Nielsen - Clutterbuck
Martin - Cizikas - McDonald
13th: Boulton

de Haan - Hamonic
Reinhart - Visnovsky
Hickey - Strait(Pulock or Pokka at some point, most likely)
7th: Donovan
8th: Carkner

Elliott(UFA) or Ward(trade)
Nabokov

Draft pick: Bennett/Dal Colle/Draisaitl with our 1st(depending where we are); Demko with our 2nd.

The only $$ I see being spent will be on a goaltender. After that, they'll most likely reach the floor with raises to CdH, Lee and Cizikas(and Donovan, I guess).

I'm honestly fine with those forwards, but I'd like to see a defenseman brought in. Not sure if that's likely though, unless they keep the pick and trade it.

Top priority once the season ends(prior to the draft and UFA) is replacing Capuano. I honestly have no idea whether or not it will happen, but Snow needs to bring in a new coaching staff if he wants any realistic shot at winning with a Cap Floor team.

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My expectation?

Lee - Tavares - Okposo
Bailey - Nelson - Strome
Grabner - Nielsen - Clutterbuck
Martin - Cizikas - McDonald
13th: Boulton

de Haan - Hamonic
Reinhart - Visnovsky
Hickey - Strait(Pulock or Pokka at some point, most likely)
7th: Donovan
8th: Carkner

Elliott(UFA) or Ward(trade)
Nabokov

Draft pick: Bennett/Dal Colle/Draisaitl with our 1st(depending where we are); Demko with our 2nd.

The only $$ I see being spent will be on a goaltender. After that, they'll most likely reach the floor with raises to CdH, Lee and Cizikas(and Donovan, I guess).

I'm honestly fine with those forwards, but I'd like to see a defenseman brought in. Not sure if that's likely though, unless they keep the pick and trade it.

Top priority once the season ends(prior to the draft and UFA) is replacing Capuano. I honestly have no idea whether or not it will happen, but Snow needs to bring in a new coaching staff if he wants any realistic shot at winning with a Cap Floor team.
Very good point there, your gonna have to get everything from everyone on the team to be competitive with a cap floor lineup.

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Very good point there, your gonna have to get everything from everyone on the team to be competitive with a cap floor lineup.
I'm still holding out a tiny sliver of hope for Laviolette. Bring him in, he brings in his Cup winning goaltender. Isles turn it around. Go into Brooklyn with a new Cup banner. The crowd goes wild.

Worst part about being an Isles fan is knowing that anything and everything you want to happen will most certainly not happen.

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I think Isles will add 3 players over the summer

1) 1# Goalie- Brian Elliott (UFA) or Cam Ward (Trade)
2) 2 line scoring winger Jussi Jokinen (UFA) or someone like him
3)5-6 depth D-man Deryk Engelland (UFA) or Mark Fraser (UFA)

This is the best we can hope for with snow-wang in charge!

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I think Isles will add 3 players over the summer

1) 1# Goalie- Brian Elliott (UFA) or Cam Ward (Trade)
2) 2 line scoring winger Jussi Jokinen (UFA) or someone like him
3)5-6 depth D-man Deryk Engelland (UFA) or Mark Fraser (UFA)

This is the best we can hope for with snow-wang in charge!
I hope you are right(about the money being spent, not necessarily the players). Jokinen will command at least $4M(he's making $3M right now). I'd rather devote that plus the miniscule salary a guy like Engelland would command and just offer up $5M to a decent defenseman. I know apparently no one wants to play here, but I'd have to imagine that a D-man being offered $3-3.5M by everyone else would choose the Islanders if they are offering $5M.

Don't see a huge need up front. In fact, I'd be more than happy to keep the same exact lineup up front. Any and all funds should go towards an upgrade between the pipes and a defenseman who can play in the top-4 and not look out of place.

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I think Isles will add 3 players over the summer

1) 1# Goalie- Brian Elliott (UFA) or Cam Ward (Trade)
2) 2 line scoring winger Jussi Jokinen (UFA) or someone like him
3)5-6 depth D-man Deryk Engelland (UFA) or Mark Fraser (UFA)

This is the best we can hope for with snow-wang in charge!
Deryk Engelland is just another Carkner, no thanks.

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I hope you are right(about the money being spent, not necessarily the players). Jokinen will command at least $4M(he's making $3M right now). I'd rather devote that plus the miniscule salary a guy like Engelland would command and just offer up $5M to a decent defenseman. I know apparently no one wants to play here, but I'd have to imagine that a D-man being offered $3-3.5M by everyone else would choose the Islanders if they are offering $5M.

Don't see a huge need up front. In fact, I'd be more than happy to keep the same exact lineup up front. Any and all funds should go towards an upgrade between the pipes and a defenseman who can play in the top-4 and not look out of place.
I might be wrong but I don't see that much money being spent on those 3 type of players.

Cam Ward- Think isles would make Canes eat at least 2 million a year of his 6+ Million salary (4 Million)

Brian Elliott- 3-4 Million Cap hit as UFA my guess

Jussi Jokinen - 3-4 Million Cap hit as ufa my guess (think snow wants some scoring to replace moulson/vanek trades)

England-Fraser 1-2 Million cap hit my guess


So that's around 10 Million Cap hit on UFA or trades (might be a little high for WANG so snow might have to get the Cap hit to 7-8 Million) Isles still need to sign DeHaan, Lee, Cizikas and maybe Nabby as a back-up goalie as well

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How would you like to see these three introduced? We're going to have to bite the bullet when it comes to playing our young defensemen at some point.

For me, the best-case scenario is that Visnovsky is healthy enough to serve as Reinhart's partner in 2014-15. Pulock works on his game in the AHL and is ready for the NHL by the time we're in Brooklyn. Eventually, Reinhart and Pulock are paired together. Unfortunately, Visnovsky doesn't seem to be a safe assumption for 2014-15.

I really have no idea what might work for Pokka. He'll probably need some time to acclimate to the North American game. And we still have to sign him.
I know we have to bite the bullet and play them, my issue is with the role and the expectations. Ideally, Reinhart has a Chara-Seidenberg-Boychuck-Ference(before him) to carry the load, like Dougie Hamilton and Torry Krug had. Then, with good play, experience, mentorship, hopefully Reinhart (and Pulcok and Pokka) EARN more minutes.

We have a "I wonder if this kid can swim" approach. Even though some have AHL seasoning (which is a step forward for the Islanders) they still are brought into environments where we NEED THEM to be successful (immediately) or the team loses. deHaan is the new one, along with Donovan. Hickey and Strait were thrown in last year and played well. Hamonic before that and he's done well. Problem is, these young dmen need a lot of time and they don't always (if ever) improve in a linear fashion (like forwards often do). Some face a lot of ups and downs in their early years, even great prospects like Tyler Myers and Zack Bogosian and even Gudbranson, R. Murray, Pietrangelo....some become Luke Schenn. And it's not always the team's fault, some just don't get better and rarely do as 20 year old rookies.

I suppose EDM looked at their roster (in their hat-trick of 1st overalls) and saw the same potential that Snow sees through those obscured lenses.

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Deryk Engelland is just another Carkner, no thanks.
Engelland is a better skater than Carkner and can also play some wing as well. (he adds some depth and a lot of meanness nothing more)

Don't think Snow is looking for a top 4 D-man this summer only some D depth. I think his hope is for Griffin Reinhart and Ryan Pulock to win jobs shortly. Next year or two years max.

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