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03-31-2014, 05:10 PM
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I would not be opposed to using the Schenn Brothers in that trade, but anything more would be a no from me.
I'm opposed to both brothers. They can start with Luke and our 1st if they want.

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03-31-2014, 05:12 PM
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I'm opposed to both brothers. They can start with Luke and our 1st if they want.
Luke + 1st would never get it done. The Schenns together are overpayment for Ek though.

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I can't even pretend to be that dense. People that undervalue Coots are stupid.
We're not exactly perfect neither. Every fanbase overrates their guy while underrating the other teams guy.
http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1628759

With that said I wouldn't trade Couturier for a shot at Ekblad along with every other roster player on the team. It just doesn't make sense & not worth it. Ekblad will be in the NHL next year but he's going to struggle mightily & won't be making an impact for a couple more years (assuming he even pans out fully) while in that same time frame Morin will be making the jump & someone who in my opinion & some others has a higher ceiling.

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03-31-2014, 05:17 PM
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That's a different situation. The Weber swap isn't exactly a clear cut situation that moves the team forward. For Edmonton, acquiring Couturier instantly makes them a better team.

It would be more like trading Luke Schenn for Weber. Couturier's upside and importance to the team aren't something you gamble on for a shot at a guy who might be a #1.

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03-31-2014, 05:21 PM
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That's a different situation. The Weber swap isn't exactly a clear cut situation that moves the team forward. For Edmonton, acquiring Couturier instantly makes them a better team.

It would be more like trading Luke Schenn for Weber. Couturier's upside and importance to the team aren't something you gamble on for a shot at a guy who might be a #1.
My point was we have people on here who overrate players as well, we're not immune to it. I wasn't comparing the exact scenarios.

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03-31-2014, 05:26 PM
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NHL players age 21 or under (feb 1st this year) EV+SH scoring:

Landeskog: 53 points
Schwartz: 44 points
MacKinnon: 41 points
Johanson: 40 points
Saad: 35 points
Couturier: 33 points
Nugent-Hopkins: 31 points
Skinner: 30 points
Gallagher: 30 points
Scheifele: 30 points
Bjugstad: 30 points
Granlund: 29 points
Nichushkin: 29 points
Niederreiter: 28 points
Monahan: 26 points
Toffoli: 25 points
Huberdeau: 22 points
Coyle: 22 points
Zibanejad: 20 points
Girgensons: 20 points
Nieto: 20 points
Jenner: 19 points
Galchenyuk: 18 points
Barkov: 18 points
Yakupov: 18 points

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03-31-2014, 05:48 PM
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NHL players age 21 or under (feb 1st this year) EV+SH scoring:

Landeskog: 53 points
Schwartz: 44 points
MacKinnon: 41 points
Johanson: 40 points
Saad: 35 points
Couturier: 33 points
Nugent-Hopkins: 31 points
Skinner: 30 points
Gallagher: 30 points
Scheifele: 30 points
Bjugstad: 30 points
Granlund: 29 points
Nichushkin: 29 points
Niederreiter: 28 points
Monahan: 26 points
Toffoli: 25 points
Huberdeau: 22 points
Coyle: 22 points
Zibanejad: 20 points
Girgensons: 20 points
Nieto: 20 points
Jenner: 19 points
Galchenyuk: 18 points
Barkov: 18 points
Yakupov: 18 points
This is hysterical to me. All the players ahead of Couturier plus RNH, Skinner, Huberdeau, Zibanejad, and Galchenyuk get so much love for having untapped offensive potential. Yet, Couturier keeps pace with them at ES, and he is such a "limited" offensive player.

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03-31-2014, 05:53 PM
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NHL players age 21 or under (feb 1st this year) EV+SH scoring:

Landeskog: 53 points
Schwartz: 44 points
MacKinnon: 41 points
Johanson: 40 points
Saad: 35 points
Couturier: 33 points
Nugent-Hopkins: 31 points
Skinner: 30 points
Gallagher: 30 points
Scheifele: 30 points
Bjugstad: 30 points
Granlund: 29 points
Nichushkin: 29 points
Niederreiter: 28 points
Monahan: 26 points
Toffoli: 25 points
Huberdeau: 22 points
Coyle: 22 points
Zibanejad: 20 points
Girgensons: 20 points
Nieto: 20 points
Jenner: 19 points
Galchenyuk: 18 points
Barkov: 18 points
Yakupov: 18 points
I'm pretty sure the bolded have beaten Sean in polls this year.

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03-31-2014, 06:04 PM
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NHL players age 21 or under (feb 1st this year) EV+SH scoring:

Landeskog: 53 points
Schwartz: 44 points
MacKinnon: 41 points
Johanson: 40 points
Saad: 35 points
Couturier: 33 points
Nugent-Hopkins: 31 points
Skinner: 30 points
Gallagher: 30 points
Scheifele: 30 points
Bjugstad: 30 points
Granlund: 29 points
Nichushkin: 29 points
Niederreiter: 28 points
Monahan: 26 points
Toffoli: 25 points
Huberdeau: 22 points
Coyle: 22 points
Zibanejad: 20 points
Girgensons: 20 points
Nieto: 20 points
Jenner: 19 points
Galchenyuk: 18 points
Barkov: 18 points
Yakupov: 18 points
This is exactly what I was trying to point out but you did so from a much broader view. If Couturier received more PP time I wonder what his point totals would end up being.

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03-31-2014, 06:12 PM
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We've really become a two-line team:

Giroux's line for offense.
Couturier's line for defense.
Then the rest.

It's interesting how that turned out compared to our more traditional process on team-building.

There's no doubt in my mind that Couturier is easily a 50-point forward with PP time, but he doesn't get that time.

Want something crazier?

Non-PP points:

Giroux: 45
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Voracek: 36
Read: 34
Couturier: 33
Simmonds: 33
Schenn: 31
Hartnell: 29
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Raffl: 21
Lecavalier: 21


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03-31-2014, 07:38 PM
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I'd trade both Schenns and our first for Ekblad. People have already said that's an overpayment for an unknown. Definitely understand that viewpoint. I am just a big believer in Ekblad's skillset and believe he is every bit the prospect that Drew Doughty was when he was drafted.

Edmonton wouldn't make that trade because Ekblad is precisely what they need right now. Buffalo might because of what they already have.

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03-31-2014, 07:59 PM
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Edmonton wouldn't make that trade because Ekblad is precisely what they need right now. Buffalo might because of what they already have.
I can't see Buffalo passing up the opportunity to pick either one of Reinhart or Bennett. I actually think they'll take the latter regardless of it's at the #1 or #2 spot as I see him as the best overall player in this draft.

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I can't see Buffalo passing up the opportunity to pick either one of Reinhart or Bennett. I actually think they'll take the latter regardless of it's at the #1 or #2 spot as I see him as the best overall player in this draft.
Yeah, I agree. When I said might, I was suggesting like a 2% chance they consider it. Being honest, even if we offered Couturier and our first, I doubt that either Buffalo or Edmonton accepts. I wouldn't do it as a Flyers fan either, but I just don't see there being a deal to be made.

All I was saying that even an overpayment by some (most?) Flyer fans standards doesn't move these teams off their early selection, Ekblad or not.

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This is hysterical to me. All the players ahead of Couturier plus RNH, Skinner, Huberdeau, Zibanejad, and Galchenyuk get so much love for having untapped offensive potential. Yet, Couturier keeps pace with them at ES, and he is such a "limited" offensive player.
AND he has those points against teams top lines. We need to have the main board see this. Lol

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The one thing that baffles me about this whole scenario is they talk about Ekblad being a great young prospect yet they want to trade the pick to us for Couts..... Why not just keep it and draft the kid? Seems like that would be the better option anyway. Couts is 3 years older than him, that won't be a dramatic impact on their age. Just keep the pick and draft Ekblad.

They need a #1 much more desperately than we do.

One other note, I have seen a couple mention the Flyers play in the East and even regarding RNH injury. While the injury has more impact, that to me is just reaching for excuses now. If you legitimately think Couts is playing the way he is because he is in the East that's where my debate stops with you.

Lol and now the mod threatens infractions in the thread if the Flyers are mentioned again.


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The one thing that baffles me about this whole scenario is they talk about Ekblad being a great young prospect yet they want to trade the pick to us for Couts..... Why not just keep it and draft the kid? Seems like that would be the better option anyway. Couts is 3 years older than him, that won't be a dramatic impact on their age. Just keep the pick and draft Ekblad.

They need a #1 much more desperately than we do.
They also are saying that Lecavalier is a "MUCH" better option than Couturier. The entire argument against Couturier's production is also so bad considering the defense that Couturier performs against other teams top players. They make it sound like point production is all that is important. Meanwhile, point production won't win you games when you are being outscored. They also ignore how Couturier would have higher point totals if used more on the powerplay.

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Lol...I had to read it. Too funny. They really have no clue on the importance of a player like Couts. Their Mod had to step in and stop all the Philly talk. But for a team that needs a top pairing guy as much, even more than us, why would they trade Ekblad if they got him?

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Lol...I had to read it. Too funny. They really have no clue on the importance of a player like Couts. Their Mod had to step in and stop all the Philly talk. But for a team that needs a top pairing guy as much, even more than us, why would they trade Ekblad if they got him?
He was actually trying to explain to me that Couturier is really overrated and that he felt Brayden Schenn is actually the better player. Even when presented with factual statistics and first-hand analysis from multiple parties, he insisted he was correct in his thinking.

He also found it absolutely absurd that we would not trade Couturier for Ekblad.

The level at which Couturier plays defense makes it very similar to the "mystery box" clip from Family Guy. Sure, Couturier's not an actual defenseman, but his impact is very clear.

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How about a couple Schenns

I'd love to have an elite D prospect, but I don't see it working. For the price it would take to get Ekblad, Holmgren would either go for a more established puck mover or not make a trade at all.

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Holy **** does that thread symbolize everything wrong with the Oilers and their evaluation of talent and how much value they give a 1st overall pick.

I mean, I know some people here like to go overboard with these things sometimes, but this is just on another level.

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Holy **** does that thread symbolize everything wrong with the Oilers and their evaluation of talent and how much value they give a 1st overall pick.
Maybe the HFBoards fanbase mirrors the management?

Flyers fans tend to be harsh and aggressive, but rational when it counts.

Oilers fans tend to overvalue the imaginary and undervalue defense.

Maple Leafs fans tend to deny everything that's wrong because of some good luck, but when things start to hit the fan, they panic and get depressed.

Red Wings fans tend to be cool all the time, but never all that flashy or overly interesting anymore.

Penguins fans tend to be stupid doo-doo heads.*



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I like how an Oiler fan took a jab by saying that we'll be out in the 1st or 2nd round. Oh the horror.

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I like how an Oiler fan took a jab by saying that we'll be out in the 1st or 2nd round. Oh the horror.
They'd throw a parade if they even got within 20 points of a wildcard spot

The entire franchise is a joke and the fanbase does their best to reflect that.

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I'd probably be willing to move the Schenn's to give him a try.
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