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04-02-2014, 03:32 PM
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Is his contract pro rated, or does he receive the full season's pay for playing 7 games?
Receives full signing bonus, I believe, paragraph 1 salary is prorated.

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You sure? Its a standard 3 year ELC 2 way. The CBA is muddy on this.

Is it because of roster/playoff locks in the AHL? It can't be because of the contract.

Sure, we can sign him to an AHL ATO, but then we're leaving next year in the air anyway.
If he had signed an AHL ATO, it would've been done in conjunction with an ELC that commences next season.

Regarding McCabe's ability to be sent to Rochester we have this from the CBA:

13.12(j) A Player may be Loaned to a club of any league affiliated with the League at any time up to 3:00 p.m. New York time of the fortieth (40th) day immediately preceding the final day of the Regular Season (the "Trade Deadline"). Following this period, no Player may be Loaned, except that:
(i) a Player who has been Recalled during such restricted period under Article 13.12(l), 13.12(m), or 13.12(n) may be Loaned back to the member club of the affiliated league from which they were Recalled;
(ii) a Player who is on the Bona-Fide Long-Term Injury/Illness Exception, or who has been unfit for 24 calendar days and ten (10) NHL Regular Season games, may be Loaned on a Bona-Fide Long-Term Injury/Illness Exception Conditioning Loan (with the Player's consent) pursuant to Section 13.9 above for a period not to exceed the longer of six (6) days and three (3) games (which Loan is not subject to any extension), provided, however, if the Player is not on the Bona-Fide Long Term Injury/Illness Exception, he cannot be Loaned while he is on Injured Reserve; and
(iii) a Player may be Loaned (with the Player's consent) provided such Player (a) was on Recall and was determined to be disabled as of the Trade Deadline, (b) is determined to be fit to play prior to such Loan, and (c) was on the Active Roster for less than twenty-five percent (25%) of the period from the beginning of the Regular Season up to and including the date on which he was determined to be disabled.


This implies that a player who is not under contract at the trade deadline is not eligible for loan as he does not fit into any of the above categories.

As for McCabe's age for waiver purposes, the CBA is actually kind of vague about this. From article 13.4:

2. For purposes of this Article, "age 18" means a Player reaching his eighteenth birthday between January 1 next preceding the Entry Draft and September 15 next following the Entry Draft, both dates included; "age 19" means a Player reaching his nineteenth birthday in the calendar year of the Entry Draft; "age 20" means a Player reaching his twentieth birthday in the calendar year of the Entry Draft; and "age 21" means a Player reaching his twenty-first birthday in the calendar year of the Entry Draft.

The issue is which Entry Draft is this article referring to. However, if we assume it is the Entry Draft during the league year in which the SPC is signed (or starts), we run into a problem. The Entry Draft occurs towards the end of the league year (which runs form July 1 to June 30). If it meant the Entry Draft of the league year in which the contract commences then there would literally be no such thing as an "age 18" player for waiver purposes. Therefore, we can conclude that the interpretation is probably incorrect.

The interpretation which Capgeek uses (as far as I can tell) is the Entry Draft preceding the season in which the contract starts. Absent any more concrete wording, this interpretation is as good as any, so based on that interpretation McCabe would be 20 for waiver purposes.

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In dressing McCabe, does Buffalo break the record for most players used in one NHL season?

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In dressing McCabe, does Buffalo break the record for most players used in one NHL season?
Idk, but I think it assures a dressing-rookies in 1 season record.

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Sweet deal, I hope he plays tomorrow.

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Jake McCabe ‏@McCabe19 3m
Thank you everyone for the overwhelming support! Want to also thank UW for the best 3 years of my life, very excited for this opportunity!

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In dressing McCabe, does Buffalo break the record for most players used in one NHL season?
I read somewhere that Pittsburgh has iced the most players this year. Can't remember where I saw that.

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You beat me to it, though I was going to speak more generally than just one game. He's far from a perfect D-man at this point, and has made many poor decisions on the ice this year. But that said, he plays an excellent overall game, can provide that big entry-zone hit, can play in all situations, and is a leader. Those intangibles, like leadership and a strong desire to get better, are the biggest things with him. I like him, particularly the intangibles, and I think he can develop into a strong defenseman, but he definitely has some work to do.
In 2-3 years he "only" has to be a good top 6 dman. We have Ehrhoff and Zads ahead of him on the depth chart. Hopefully he turns into a top 4 dman in 4-5 years when Ehrhoff moves to the bottom 6 and Zads into top 2.

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In 2-3 years he "only" has to be a good top 6 dman. We have Ehrhoff and Zads ahead of him on the depth chart. Hopefully he turns into a top 4 dman in 4-5 years when Ehrhoff moves to the bottom 6 and Zads into top 2.
McCabe is much more likely to hit his developmental ceiling much more quickly than 4-5 years.

One can argue that it'll take McCabe 2-3 years while it takes Zadorov 4-5 years......

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If he had signed an AHL ATO, it would've been done in conjunction with an ELC that commences next season.

Regarding McCabe's ability to be sent to Rochester we have this from the CBA:

13.12(j) A Player may be Loaned to a club of any league affiliated with the League at any time up to 3:00 p.m. New York time of the fortieth (40th) day immediately preceding the final day of the Regular Season (the "Trade Deadline"). Following this period, no Player may be Loaned, except that:
(i) a Player who has been Recalled during such restricted period under Article 13.12(l), 13.12(m), or 13.12(n) may be Loaned back to the member club of the affiliated league from which they were Recalled;
(ii) a Player who is on the Bona-Fide Long-Term Injury/Illness Exception, or who has been unfit for 24 calendar days and ten (10) NHL Regular Season games, may be Loaned on a Bona-Fide Long-Term Injury/Illness Exception Conditioning Loan (with the Player's consent) pursuant to Section 13.9 above for a period not to exceed the longer of six (6) days and three (3) games (which Loan is not subject to any extension), provided, however, if the Player is not on the Bona-Fide Long Term Injury/Illness Exception, he cannot be Loaned while he is on Injured Reserve; and
(iii) a Player may be Loaned (with the Player's consent) provided such Player (a) was on Recall and was determined to be disabled as of the Trade Deadline, (b) is determined to be fit to play prior to such Loan, and (c) was on the Active Roster for less than twenty-five percent (25%) of the period from the beginning of the Regular Season up to and including the date on which he was determined to be disabled.


This implies that a player who is not under contract at the trade deadline is not eligible for loan as he does not fit into any of the above categories.

As for McCabe's age for waiver purposes, the CBA is actually kind of vague about this. From article 13.4:

2. For purposes of this Article, "age 18" means a Player reaching his eighteenth birthday between January 1 next preceding the Entry Draft and September 15 next following the Entry Draft, both dates included; "age 19" means a Player reaching his nineteenth birthday in the calendar year of the Entry Draft; "age 20" means a Player reaching his twentieth birthday in the calendar year of the Entry Draft; and "age 21" means a Player reaching his twenty-first birthday in the calendar year of the Entry Draft.

The issue is which Entry Draft is this article referring to. However, if we assume it is the Entry Draft during the league year in which the SPC is signed (or starts), we run into a problem. The Entry Draft occurs towards the end of the league year (which runs form July 1 to June 30). If it meant the Entry Draft of the league year in which the contract commences then there would literally be no such thing as an "age 18" player for waiver purposes. Therefore, we can conclude that the interpretation is probably incorrect.

The interpretation which Capgeek uses (as far as I can tell) is the Entry Draft preceding the season in which the contract starts. Absent any more concrete wording, this interpretation is as good as any, so based on that interpretation McCabe would be 20 for waiver purposes.
Sounds like 20 for both EL/FA and waiver then. That's what I was thinking.

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$925k/$70k for McCabe

http://blogs.buffalonews.com/sabres/...year-deal.html

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How much signing bonus was it?

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How much signing bonus was it?
I'm sure it was the max $92,500 that everyone else gets.

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Remember all the guff they got for taking this kid? He's turned heads and shifted opinions by his actions on the ice.

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Jake McCabe will wear #29. #welcometothenhl

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I read somewhere that Pittsburgh has iced the most players this year. Can't remember where I saw that.
Nope. Sabres have iced 38 skaters + 5 goalies this year = 43. Soon to be 44 with McCabe. I believe that is a franchise record.

Pittsburgh has iced 36 skaters + 2 goalies = 38.

I can't find the all-time record.

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that should be retired for Pominville !!1!

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that should be retired for Pominville !!1!
Really?!? Pominville is an all time Sabres' great? Not even close! What exactly did he accomplish to deserve #29 being hung in FNC in his honor? Nothing IMO!

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Cue the change your Pominville nameplate promotion.

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Nope. Sabres have iced 38 skaters + 5 goalies this year = 43. Soon to be 44 with McCabe. I believe that is a franchise record.

Pittsburgh has iced 36 skaters + 2 goalies = 38.

I can't find the all-time record.
Ah I see. Maybe it was man-games lost I was thinking of.

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Really?!? Pominville is an all time Sabres' great? Not even close! What exactly did he accomplish to deserve #29 being hung in FNC in his honor? Nothing IMO!
I think he was joking....




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Remember all the guff they got for taking this kid? He's turned heads and shifted opinions by his actions on the ice.
But... but Dalton Thrower

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If so, then he sure got me.

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Congats to McCabe!

But whats with all our new players taking over our old players numbers pretty instantly?
Maybe i'm just really used to the old core still but
vanek by moulson
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Pomminville by McCabe
I was surprised neuvirth didn't take #30

I'm probably the only one that has a problem with this haha

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