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04-03-2014, 12:10 PM
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Habs/Oilers at the draft

To Oilers:
PK Subban

To Habs:
Darnell Nurse
Aaron Ekblad (2014 1st rounder pick)
2015 2nd round pick


On a side note a buddy of mine who is an Oilers fan asked me about this trade. He was telling me how the Oilers need a #1 D man.

I do not want to trade Subban but for a future painring of Nurse and Ekblad I would have to think about it.

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04-03-2014, 12:13 PM
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No.

The Oilers do need a #1 D. His name is Ekblad. Subban isn't defensively responsible enough. We have enough players that commit regularly horrendous turnovers. PK brings a lot to the table and would solve a lot of problems for us, but Ekblad projects to provide more.

I do think the Oilers would make that type of deal for Subban if Buffalo takes Ekblad. But no real point for the Habs to do that I guess.

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04-03-2014, 12:26 PM
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To Oilers:
PK Subban

To Habs:
Darnell Nurse
Aaron Ekblad (2014 1st rounder pick)
2015 2nd round pick


On a side note a buddy of mine who is an Oilers fan asked me about this trade. He was telling me how the Oilers need a #1 D man.

I do not want to trade Subban but for a future painring of Nurse and Ekblad I would have to think about it.
A future pairing of Nurse and Ekblad?

Do yourself a favor and go through the last 20 or so drafts and look at the top picked defensemen. Being picked high is no guarantee to become an impact player in the NHL... Far from it.

Komisarek was a 7th overall.

Ekblad hasn't played a single game in the NHL and the odds he becomes one of the leagues best defenseman are slim. Subban is already at that level. Are we rebuilding? Why would we go after picks and prospects when our cup window could be in 2-3 years? By the time Ekblad is a 1st pairing defenseman, if he ever becomes one, our core, Price, Pacioretty Galchenyuk, will all be in their late 20s, if not low 30s. That's a huge gamble to take with very high odds of back-firing on us.

Subban will get paid and will help the Habs more than any prospect could. Let's just leave it at that. This isn't NHL14. The whole point isn't to assemble the youngest, most potential filled team as possible. This is what the Oilers are, and I wouldn't want to switch place with them.

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04-03-2014, 12:32 PM
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Unless contract talks really go south between Montreal & Subban, I don't touch this.

Can't fault for value because it seems decent & isn't a quantity trade, but just don't see Montreal pulling anything huge this summer when it comes to Subban.

He's the future for us & I believe it puts Montreal a few years back acquiring 2 prospects, also Subban embraces the pressure of playing in Montreal & not many players can do that, so that's another reason why I wouldn't pull this deal.

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Oilers get fleeced.

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Given the way that Habs/Oilers proposals usually go, this is fairer than I expected.

Nurse/Ekblad has the potential to be a monstrous pairing in the future, but Subban is a monster d-man already. Hmm.

To be honest, I think if I were the GM of the Oilers, I'd rather offer sheet Subban instead, but I feel like the value isn't that far off in the proposed trade. Potential definitely favours Montreal, but as far as immediate impact goes, it heavily favours Edmonton.

That said, I don't see Montreal even considering this unless it becomes clear that Subban wants out.

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A future pairing of Nurse and Ekblad?

Do yourself a favor and go through the last 20 or so drafts and look at the top picked defensemen. Being picked high is no guarantee to become an impact player in the NHL... Far from it.

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Top 2 D picks all the way down to Komisarek

Jones - Nurse
Murray - Reinhart
Larsson - Hamilton
Gudbranson-Fowler
Hedman-EkmanLarsson
Doughty-Bogosian
Hickey-Alzner
Johnson-Wishart
Johnson-Lee
Barker-Smid
Suter-Couburn
JBo-Pitkanen
Komisarek-Hamhuis

A few misses a couple questionmarks but a whole to of hits.

IMO the OP is close in value and I am an Oilers fan.

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To Oilers:
PK Subban

To Habs:
Darnell Nurse
Aaron Ekblad (2014 1st rounder pick)
2015 2nd round pick


On a side note a buddy of mine who is an Oilers fan asked me about this trade. He was telling me how the Oilers need a #1 D man.

I do not want to trade Subban but for a future painring of Nurse and Ekblad I would have to think about it.
so oilers trade two guys who could both be number one d-men and they add more? if that deal gets offered it is easily turned down

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04-03-2014, 12:59 PM
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so oilers trade two guys who could both be number one d-men and they add more? if that deal gets offered it is easily turned down
The key words are could be number one dmen. The value is in Montreal's favor but I understand why they wouldn't do this. It's essentially 3 prospects for their number 1 dman, awfully risky.

As an Oiler fan I think the price is too steep but although Subban is not exactly the kind of dman we would hope to get for such a package, he would still greatly improve our D core leaps and bounds.

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so oilers trade two guys who could both be number one d-men and they add more? if that deal gets offered it is easily turned down
keyword: could

no guarantees

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so oilers trade two guys who could both be number one d-men and they add more? if that deal gets offered it is easily turned down
HFBoards: Could>>>Is

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No Thanks, just not that sold on Subban. Dont get me wrong the kid is good but I dont see him as the anchor on Defense of a cup winning team.

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Not interested at all. Probably the only feasible deal (overpayment for Subban) is Yakupov + 2014 1st. That would instantly make the Oilers a much better team without horribly impacting the future, but it's an overpayment of value for sure. Anything less just makes no sense for the Habs. No deal to realistically be made.

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A future pairing of Nurse and Ekblad?

Do yourself a favor and go through the last 20 or so drafts and look at the top picked defensemen. Being picked high is no guarantee to become an impact player in the NHL... Far from it.

Komisarek was a 7th overall.

Ekblad hasn't played a single game in the NHL and the odds he becomes one of the leagues best defenseman are slim. Subban is already at that level. Are we rebuilding? Why would we go after picks and prospects when our cup window could be in 2-3 years? By the time Ekblad is a 1st pairing defenseman, if he ever becomes one, our core, Price, Pacioretty Galchenyuk, will all be in their late 20s, if not low 30s. That's a huge gamble to take with very high odds of back-firing on us.

Subban will get paid and will help the Habs more than any prospect could. Let's just leave it at that. This isn't NHL14. The whole point isn't to assemble the youngest, most potential filled team as possible. This is what the Oilers are, and I wouldn't want to switch place with them.
Komisarek was a good defenseman until injuries slowed him down

Go ahead and try to devalue Ekblad all you want but smarter people than you know better. Some Hab fans sound exactly like Flames fans regarding Phanuef in his first few years in the league

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No from Oilers perspective. However, I would package Schultz, Gagner, 2016 1st, 2017 1st for Subban.

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Pass from the Oil. Nurse and Ekblad have been dominating the OHL this yr... If we get Ekblad, We will have a top 5 D pairing in the league in the next 5 yrs. Bank on it

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Im intrigued. A top four of Klefbom, Subban/ Marincin, Schultz would be ready to step up right away.

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Pass from the Oil. Nurse and Ekblad have been dominating the OHL this yr... If we get Ekblad, We will have a top 5 D pairing in the league in the next 5 yrs. Bank on it
Absolutely. The OHL is a tough league. And that Subban guy hasn't done anything above that league either

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No from Oilers perspective. However, I would package Schultz, Gagner, 2016 1st, 2017 1st for Subban.
Does Edmonton really need a goalie that bad? Seems like an overpayment for an unproven goalie.

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Absolutely. The OHL is a tough league. And that Subban guy hasn't done anything above that league either
Sweet sarcasm, holding back my tears. Ill stick with Nurse and potentially Ekblad. Thanks

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Sweet sarcasm, holding back my tears. Ill stick with Nurse and potentially Ekblad. Thanks
Good luck buddy. The Oilers sure know how to develop potential.

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Sweet sarcasm, holding back my tears. Ill stick with Nurse and potentially Ekblad. Thanks
I get why too. But at what point does MacT trade away one of the young guns for a quality veteran Dman? Because there is no way a kid "dominating" a Jr. league can possibly be more of a benefit that a legit proven top pairing NHL Dman.

and I am not talking about with MTL....I do not see ANYTHING being done between these two teams at all this year, other than irrational hfboard flame wars

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Not saying it's a bad deal valuewise, but I'd rather try to keep Nurse (and Ekblad) and offer sheet Subban.

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Top 2 D picks all the way down to Komisarek

Jones - Nurse
Murray - Reinhart

Larsson - Hamilton
Gudbranson-Fowler
Hedman-EkmanLarsson
Doughty-Bogosian
Hickey-Alzner
Johnson-Wishart
Johnson-Lee
Barker-Smid
Suter-Couburn
JBo-Pitkanen
Komisarek-Hamhuis

A few misses a couple questionmarks but a whole to of hits.

IMO the OP is close in value and I am an Oilers fan.
Red= To early to tell. Bold= missed. You're almost at a 50% hit/miss rate. Not to knock Ekblad as many feel he's what Edmonton needs... but I wouldn't move Subban (or any other top end established talent) for that package. There needs to be a serious add in the form of an established player.

Unless of course Subban refuses to sign an extension in Montreal. But even if that's the case, they could likely get a better offer bring back a more established talent.

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Good luck buddy. The Oilers sure know how to develop potential.
I'm so jealous of the Habs. I wish the Oilers had players like Galchenyuk, Beaulieu, Tinordi, and Leblanc tearing up the league. Oh, wait. Those are all young kids who need time? Same for the Oilers but thanks for coming out
That potential would be the highest scores on your team

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