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04-14-2014, 07:26 AM
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AV has a better roster. The addition of MZA, Kreider, Pouliot, Brass, Dorsett, Carcillo, Moore and Diaz made this year's squad far superior to last year's. Notice that after the Gabby trade and MZA coming over, Torts also got better results.

Last year we had terrible depth, this year we have great depth.
Who was involved in bringing in that depth? The coach has a say

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The one thing that has made a difference with THIS squad is that AV has held the course. He did not get too high or low and he did not betray anything to the outside. He has stayed even keel all year. That seems to have been the right approach with this group.

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The one thing that has made a difference with THIS squad is that AV has held the course. He did not get too high or low and he did not betray anything to the outside. He has stayed even keel all year. That seems to have been the right approach with this group.
The same attributes as what I felt made Renney such a good fit.

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The same attributes as what I felt made Renney such a good fit.
You are right. Renney was a good fit for that team. Does not change my feeling of whether or not I thought that Renney was a good coach, but he was a good x's & o's guy and a good man. He, was not a long term solution.

We shall see what more AV brings to the table and if he can take this team to where his Van teams were not able to get to.

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You are right. Renney was a good fit for that team. Does not change my feeling of whether or not I thought that Renney was a good coach, but he was a good x's & o's guy and a good man. He, was not a long term solution.

We shall see what more AV brings to the table and if he can take this team to where his Van teams were not able to get to.
Seems like no coach is around here.

For me, Sather's roster decisions are what I'd constitute as "not a long term solution"

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04-14-2014, 01:11 PM
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Who was involved in bringing in that depth? The coach has a say
AV had nothing to do with bringing MZA, Kreider, Brass, Dorsett and Moore to New York. It is possible that he wanted Pouliot, Moore Carcillo and Diaz, but othes(Kreider, Brass, MZA, etc) played a more key role in improving our depth.

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AV had nothing to do with bringing MZA, Kreider, Brass, Dorsett and Moore to New York. It is possible that he wanted Pouliot, Moore Carcillo and Diaz, but othes(Kreider, Brass, MZA, etc) played a more key role in improving our depth.
Not even Diaz, Sather said that he wanted to bring in Diaz the past few years but was unavailable or too pricey for his liking.

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04-14-2014, 02:01 PM
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I am so happy to see a team that can win games by scoring 3, 4 or 5 goals, rather than scoring 1 or 2 and praying to god they don't concede goals. This team is offense-oriented with a great defensive core.

Last few years we were a team too focused on defense which was evident with the dump-and-chase approach.

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04-14-2014, 02:07 PM
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AV had nothing to do with bringing MZA, Kreider, Brass, Dorsett and Moore to New York. It is possible that he wanted Pouliot, Moore Carcillo and Diaz, but othes(Kreider, Brass, MZA, etc) played a more key role in improving our depth.
True, but it's no coincidence that players like Kreider and Zuccarello are thriving under AV while being constantly benched, scratched or sent to Hartford by Torts. He gives the players confidence, which shows in their play.

Our players are no longer afraid to make a mistake since 1 mistake won't cost them their career.

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The one thing that has made a difference with THIS squad is that AV has held the course. He did not get too high or low and he did not betray anything to the outside. He has stayed even keel all year. That seems to have been the right approach with this group.
I think that unless you have a team full of immature kids, if you have substance that SHOULD be the approach. A good system will look good and antics from the coach won't do anything to make it better.

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I think that unless you have a team full of immature kids, if you have substance that SHOULD be the approach. A good system will look good and antics from the coach won't do anything to make it better.
If wil split the first 10 games, we are a 50 win team.....it's crazy....

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If wil split the first 10 games, we are a 50 win team.....it's crazy....
Not sure that's true actually, that's only 2 more wins. But we ARE a 100 point team.

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He needs to get it done in the postseason. The regular season was nice but he'll be measured by the postseason

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He needs to get it done in the postseason. The regular season was nice but he'll be measured by the postseason
What was AV's training camp motto?

"Clean Slate. Grab it!"

Same goes here starting Thursday.

Make it happen!

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He needs to get it done in the postseason. The regular season was nice but he'll be measured by the postseason
I agree. Nash and St Louis will be measured by the postseason as well.

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04-15-2014, 09:18 AM
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I agree. Nash and St Louis will be measured by the postseason as well.
That is all it counts with them. For the Rangers to have any shot, Henke has to be the best player on the ice every night. However, Nash and St. Louis will need to produce goals. Which means that Nash will need to do what he has not done in the playoffs before and MSL will need to do what he has not done so far.

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04-15-2014, 09:23 AM
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Everything is measured by the post-season because that is the only way anyone can have good careers. Only great players win the 'Cup or score a PPG in the playoffs and only crappy players never win it in their career. It all comes down to this.


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04-15-2014, 09:26 AM
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That is all it counts with them. For the Rangers to have any shot, Henke has to be the best player on the ice every night. However, Nash and St. Louis will need to produce goals. Which means that Nash will need to do what he has not done in the playoffs before and MSL will need to do what he has not done so far.
No, Henrik does not have to be the best player on the ice. He has to be good enough. This team, unlike some others, is not built on Henrik being the best player every night. I'm sorry you feel that way.

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No, Henrik does not have to be the best player on the ice. He has to be good enough. This team, unlike some others, is not built on Henrik being the best player every night. I'm sorry you feel that way.
Maybe, maybe not.

There were an awful lot of people complaining earlier in the year that the core to this team's struggles was Lundqvist not being his usual self. Seems hes still awfully important to this team's chances.

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No, Henrik does not have to be the best player on the ice. He has to be good enough. This team, unlike some others, is not built on Henrik being the best player every night. I'm sorry you feel that way.
I don't think it's a stretch to ever say your goalie needs to be the best player on the ice in a playoff series. While there can certainly be exceptions to that and still win, that's always the best opportunity to advance for any team.

And in this series in particular, with the deep roster of Flyer forwards who can score, if McDonagh is anything less than 100% Hank could be seriously tested.

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Maybe, maybe not.

There were an awful lot of people complaining earlier in the year that the core to this team's struggles was Lundqvist not being his usual self. Seems hes still awfully important to this team's chances.
Yes and I think part of that was coming off how many seasons of Henrik being "the team" and not knowing what this one was yet. I totally understand that and don't blame anyone for thinking that.

He's important no doubt but he is definitely not going to be required to play out of his mind to only have a shot, or chance.

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I don't think it's a stretch to ever say your goalie needs to be the best player on the ice in a playoff series. While there can certainly be exceptions to that and still win, that's always the best opportunity to advance for any team.

And in this series in particular, with the deep roster of Flyer forwards who can score, if McDonagh is anything less than 100% Hank could be seriously tested.
Hot goalies allow mediocre teams to advance farther than they should. Good teams make up for mediocre goalies.

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Hot goalies allow mediocre teams to advance farther than they should. Good teams make up for mediocre goalies.
Pretty general, but I cannot disagree with that.

In your opinion which one were we in 2011-12?

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Pretty general, but I cannot disagree with that.

In your opinion which one were we in 2011-12?
The first one easily. That was Lundqvist's best playoff AINEC.

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The first one easily. That was Lundqvist's best playoff AINEC.
I can see why you would say that.

Then again, it's not like Hank carried a seven seed to the ECF or anything. We had the best record in the East that year, two points away from the President's trophy, and as a 1 seed we lost to a 4 seed in the ECF. And a lot of people agree Hank was not great in the Devils series.

Soooooooo it's not quite that black and white after all.

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