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04-08-2014, 11:36 AM
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haha. On the trade board, I was inquiring to Leaf fans about the value of Kadri, and then wondered if Gorges would be a good price for them; as he offers stuff they really, really need as a reliable shutdown D as well as someone who offers good character in their locker room.

They told me that they can always acquire character.

My answer: "Yhea, sure. You can always sign a UFA that offers intangibles. How has that worked for the Leafs so far?"
You were offering Gorges for Kadri straight up? Really?

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Bolland at around 5 mil/year long term would turn into another Clarkson type contract. He's very good on a 3rd line but if you expect more you will be disappointed, plus he's always struggled with durability.

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You were offering Gorges for Kadri straight up? Really?
No. I was raising the idea of a deal centered around Gorges and Kadri.

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No. I was raising the idea of a deal centered around Gorges and Kadri.
Gorges for Kadri straight up is an overpayment by US!!

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Gorges for Kadri straight up is an overpayment by US!!
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Which means there are + and - to make it somewhat even.

I was just raising the joke that Leafs fans still have not learned from their own collapse.

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All things considered with Nonnis in office we might want to try give Gorges for Kadri straight up.

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All things considered with Nonnis in office we might want to try give Gorges for Kadri straight up.
What do you think? I know Pricef say that Gorges>Kadri, what about you?

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What do you think? I know Pricef say that Gorges>Kadri, what about you?
Our struggles are mostly in the end zone. Gorges can be replaced to an extent with Weaver. The locker room wouldn't like it though but Kadri is still a very talented player.

Kadri for Gorges would get Nonnis fired which is not a good thing for us...

I wouldn't do the deal since its not totally necessary but it would indeed boost our offence.

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Our struggles are mostly in the end zone. Gorges can be replaced to an extent with Weaver. The locker room wouldn't like it though but Kadri is still a very talented player.

Kadri for Gorges would get Nonnis fired which is not a good thing for us...

I wouldn't do the deal since its not totally necessary but it would indeed greatly boost our offence.
Nonis will get fired anyway, I'm quite sure of it. the Clarkson debacle has sealed his fate.

Getting Kadri would mean we could afford to trade away Eller, and we'd have a solid replacement for Briere at the end of his contract, no?

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Kadri should be a winger IMO.

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kadri should be a winger imo.
lw? Rw?

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lw? Rw?
LW, he's worse than Desharnais defensively and awful on faceoffs. I think Leafs would prefer him at W but can't because they have no other C.

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LW, he's worse than Desharnais defensively and awful on faceoffs. I think Leafs would prefer him at W but can't because they have no other C.
Really?

Man. That's bad.

All right. He could take Bourque's place then.

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RE: Gorges for Kadri. Yes, I would consider it since pure defensive specialists who can't provide any offense are not as rare in the NHL. Offensively, Kadri is arguably further along than any of our centers offensively, although Pleks know defense and Galchenyuk will surpass him in the future. Gorges has a pretty high cap hit though, so Toronto probably won't bite.

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RE: Gorges for Kadri. Yes, I would consider it since pure defensive specialists who can't provide any offense are not as rare in the NHL. Offensively, Kadri is arguably further along than any of our centers offensively, although Pleks know defense and Galchenyuk will surpass him in the future. Gorges has a pretty high cap hit though, so Toronto probably won't bite.
For some reason, Toronto can't seem to get their hands on a pure defensive specialist.

Plus, they have horrendeous problems with their internal work ethics. I personally think Gorges would infuse quite the backbone on the Leafs' blueline.

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LW, he's worse than Desharnais defensively and awful on faceoffs. I think Leafs would prefer him at W but can't because they have no other C.
He has size over DD and pair of slicker hands. Friendship with Pacioretty is something he doesn't have though, so he won't get to play on the top line.

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Nonis will get fired anyway, I'm quite sure of it. the Clarkson debacle has sealed his fate.

Getting Kadri would mean we could afford to trade away Eller, and we'd have a solid replacement for Briere at the end of his contract, no?
Yeah I kind of agree, but it's not necessary to acquire Kadri. Galchenyuk is gonna move up and it would literally put him out of a C spot. I'm not against trading Eller but I would do it only for a top 5 pick (in a package of course). Gorges input for this team is hard to define, but it seems to be an important part of what this team is.

No question that Kadri is a more valuable player than Gorges, but I just can't wrap my head around how having him on this team for Gorges is a necessary or a completely valid option.

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Gorges for Kadri straight up is an overpayment by US!!
Sarcasm smilie would have helped .

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Yeah I kind of agree, but it's not necessary to acquire Kadri. Galchenyuk is gonna move up and it would literally put him out of a C spot. I'm not against trading Eller but I would do it only for a top 5 pick (in a package of course). Gorges input for this team is hard to define, but it seems to be an important part of what this team is.

No question that Kadri is a more valuable player than Gorges, but I just can't wrap my head around how having him on this team for Gorges is a necessary or a completely valid option
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That's a perfectly valid answer, sir. I was just toying with the idea on my head.

He's the only dissatisfied Leaf that actually impressed me in the past and that I would be willing to take on the Habs.

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For some reason, Toronto can't seem to get their hands on a pure defensive specialist.

Plus, they have horrendeous problems with their internal work ethics. I personally think Gorges would infuse quite the backbone on the Leafs' blueline.
I want Toronto to do the trade; it would be nice to have the center scoring depth. We can let Gorges go and have some confidence that Bergy can find another Weaver. But Gorges carries a higher cap hit than Kadri for the short term and they'll be stuck with Gorges' 3.9 million until 2017-2018. Since the Clarkson contract and the extensions to Kessel and Phaneuf already are squeezing them tightly, it probably means they'll say no.

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I want Toronto to do the trade; it would be nice to have the center scoring depth. We can let Gorges go and have some confidence that Bergy can find another Weaver. But Gorges carries a higher cap hit than Kadri for the short term and they'll be stuck with Gorges' 3.9 million until 2017-2018. Since the Clarkson contract and the extensions to Kessel and Phaneuf already are squeezing them tightly, it probably means they'll say no.
Trading for a guy like Gorges is the ONLY WAY the Maple Leaf could acquire a solid top-pairing shutdown-D at less than 4M. He's locked long-term, at a somewhat reasonable price.

Acquiring Gorges would stabilize things over in Toronto. They wouldn't have to start throwing money or prospects to acquire another top-D, who would have to be resigned at high money. Again.

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Trading for a guy like Gorges is the ONLY WAY the Maple Leaf could acquire a solid top-pairing shutdown-D at less than 4M. He's locked long-term, at a somewhat reasonable price.

Acquiring Gorges would stabilize things over in Toronto. They wouldn't have to start throwing money or prospects to acquire another top-D, who would have to be resigned at high money. Again.
Fair point about the price.

Not disagreeing about the impact Gorges would have on the room and on the ice over there, although he might need to play on his off-side if playing with Phaneuf or Gardiner; but he doesn't really struggle on his off-side.

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Fair point about the price.

Not disagreeing about the impact Gorges would have on the room and on the ice over there, although he might need to play on his off-side if playing with Phaneuf or Gardiner; but he doesn't really struggle on his off-side.
Indeed. Gorges is a fantastic player who can adapt to many playstyle and roster identity. It'd pain me to lose him, but I am never against upgrading our team by taking opportunities.

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He has size over DD and pair of slicker hands. Friendship with Pacioretty is something he doesn't have though, so he won't get to play on the top line.
That's why I rather go after Kane. IMO he is a more realistic since he's out of conference. Offseason, I'd try:

Re-Sign Subban/Markov/Weaver (no low ball), Overpay re-sign Vanek
Trade Gorges/Eller/White(probably would want him because he's a MB boy) for Kane
Sign Robidas

Eller is one of the league best faceoff players and has size. Historically dominates Winnipeg so they might be impressed too. Jets love size and need faceoff/2way C. If Jokinen is let go, Scheifele/Little/Eller down middle is pretty good for them long term. Habs obviously not a big fan of Eller so wasn't like he will ever succeed here longterm. Gorges is basically exactly what Jets need on D, defensive LD that can be paired with Trouba. Not sure Habs will trade him but he wasn't a Bergevin signing so he probably will feel it easier trading him over someone he got/extended.

Pacioretty - Desharnais - Vanek
Kane - Galchenyuk - Gallagher
Bournival - Plekanec - Leblanc

3/9 Franco, 3/9 lottery pick players, 6/9 Habs picks. Since Galchenyuk is unlikely to reach bonus, 4/9 making <1M.

Markov - Subban
Emelin - Robidas
Tinordi/Beaulieu - Weaver

Rotate Tinordi/Beaulieu, Robidas fills Franco requirement from Boullion and top 4/leadership from Gorges short term while Tinordi/Beaulieu get developed into full time NHL D. He's actually a RD too.

Therrien retires and Habs hire Boucher - a tough coach that is smart enough to actually bring out the best in Subban. Coached Pacioretty/Deharnais as well. Might know how to bring best out of Kane.

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