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Drop Slegr, pick up Simpson

View Poll Results: Is Simpson worth exposing Slegr?
Pickup Simpson, drop Slegr 11 25.58%
Pickup Simpson, drop Lindgren 5 11.63%
Keep Slegr/Lindgren 27 62.79%
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10-02-2003, 07:30 PM
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I'm not so sure about that myself. Looking up Simpson's stats, I was impressed. He's put up some solid numbers on some so-so teams. And at least he's been playing, unlike Slegr with only half a season in the past two years.

They don't play the same style at all, so it's tough to compare them. But I think our defense needs Simpson's hard nosed style more than Slegr's.
Doesn't change the fact that Slegr is a better overall hockey player. You may think Simpson fits in better for our D, and that is certainly up for debate. I kind of ride the fence on it because I definitely feel our D needs more of a mean streak, but like I posted before, I think Slegr is underrated on this board in terms of his physical play.

I also don't buy the point that because Slegr played last year in Europe that makes Simpson better. It's not like he didn't have offers to play here. He was just looking for too much money. I could understand if he had gone home because no teams were interested in him, but that wasn't the case.

Overall as a hockey player though, in looking at all aspects of the game ... physical play, skating, shooting, and passing ... Slegr is clearly the better of the two.

Let's put it this way, if you were starting a hockey team and could start with one defenseman and you needed him to do it all (Skate, pass, shoot, play the PK, play the PP, etc.) who would you pick, Simpson or Slegr? The choice for me is pretty easy.

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Lots of people thought Marty Reasoner would FOR SURE be taken by a team too.

Almost everyone thought Alexei Kovalev would get at least one good player in return.

I'll believe it when I see it.
Fair enough...

But at 800K, I personally can't see Slegr going through waivers. Especially when other teams were interested in him this offseason.

Agree to disagree

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10-02-2003, 07:32 PM
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If we were to take Todd Simpson (and his $1.1 million dollar contract or thereabouts, I should add), we would still have Slegr or Lindgren.
1.5, and I would be very surprised if Simpson is still a Coyote after tomorrow.

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10-02-2003, 09:16 PM
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Overall as a hockey player though, in looking at all aspects of the game ... physical play, skating, shooting, and passing ... Slegr is clearly the better of the two.

Let's put it this way, if you were starting a hockey team and could start with one defenseman and you needed him to do it all (Skate, pass, shoot, play the PK, play the PP, etc.) who would you pick, Simpson or Slegr? The choice for me is pretty easy.
Guess we'll agree to disagree on the first point. Slegr is slightly better offensively, Simpson slightly better physically and defensively.

As for point two, we're talking *#7* d-men here. Nobody starts their team with one d-man and has these guys on their list. And nobody exists in a vacuum, when it comes to choosing a *team*, you pick the guy that brings the skills that the team lacks. With a surfeit of softish, decent scoring defensive guys already here, that makes Simpson the better choice.

If I was team full of hard assed physical low scoring defensemen, then I go Slegr. But that's not our team.

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10-02-2003, 10:51 PM
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Almost everyone thought Alexei Kovalev would get at least one good player in return.
Rico Fata, dammit!

Anyhoo, there are some teams who are really, really hurting in the offensive d-man category. Hell, two seasons ago Baumgartner had earned a spot as a regular in Chicago, until they claimed Housley off waivers. I have no doubt Slegr would be claimed, and am reasonably certain Baumgartner will, also. He has decent offensive instincts, and could add some punch to a team like Florida's, or Chicago's, or Boston's power play. Baumgartner is a youngish, dirt cheap quick-fix.

Edit to say: I like Simpson a hell of a lot more than Slegr. He's a rock in the defensive zone, was +7 on a crappy Phoenix team last season, +20 the year before that, and also a native of North Van, and I like the idea of getting some more local boys in Canucks jerseys (rather than Avs jerseys...dammit Pierre draft more Frenchies!). That being said - $1.5 million is far too much money for what he brings. If Simpson was making $800K i'd pick him up in a heartbeat.

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'Dump Slegr'?

Sorry, do you understand how the waiver draft works?

If we were to take Todd Simpson (and his $1.1 million dollar contract or thereabouts, I should add), we would still have Slegr or Lindgren. Nobody is going to take either of those guys off waivers.

So, no, I'm not up for taking on another defensemen for another million bucks who isn't going to play. I'm not sure how good Slegr is, but Simpson really is no better than a #6 man. For $1+ million dollars, no thanks.
Considering there is no guarantee Slegr would actually be picked up we cann't pick up Simpson.. not at 1.1 million but actually at 1.5 million according to nhlpa.com.
Although I agree that that the Canucks could use a physical dman like Simpson... not for 1.5 million though. Also the biggest knock on Simpson I have seen thus far is he is very prone for taking stupid stupid penalties.

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i think it'd come down to who would take more bad penalties...

simpson and his losing the temper of slegr and his lazy penalties (that he can take in the defensive zone)...

i'd stick with slegr

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10-03-2003, 06:39 AM
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not keeping our current defense in mind, I like Slegr better than Simpson... I think he's a better offensive dman, while still not being too bad defensively... he's a player that plays tough without dropping the gloves...

keeping our current defense in mind, I'd take Simpson over Slegr... we dont' need Slegr's offensive abilities on our defense... we have Jovo, Sopel, Salo and Ohlund who are all capable of providing offense from the back end, and Malik and Allen are also solid contributers for defensive dmen.

But I wouldn't make this move in waivers...

First of all, as mentioned, there is the salary issue ... $1.5 mill is a lot for a #6/7 guy (and he would be sharing that role with Allen, so he wouldn't be any higher)... Slegr fits that much better at his salary.

Secondly, we would have a problem with the lineup if we had 8 dmen left - none who can be sent down without clearing waivers (is this Allen's status now? that he doesn't have to be protected, but has to clear waivers before being sent down??)... even if Allen can be sent down - does this make sense for his development??

and we can't carry 8 dmen on our roster (and there is no gaurentee that Slegr would be picked)... that would present problems with our forward groups, not to mention take away a spot for guys like Reid or Kesler to have time up during the season.

dropping Lindgren also doesn't help us... then we call up Reid to take his spot, and again have 8 dmen on the roster...

another problem I see with this is chemistry and the message this sends to players.

You have Slegr here - who wanted to come to Vancouver, the team signed him as a UFA player - when other teams wanted him - and then the team just drops him to pick up another (more expensive) player... not the message that you want to send to your own players, or other players who you may want to sign in the future.

I like Simpson's intangibles, but I think it would be less of a risk to pick up such a player during the season if we see problems with our current group... or by dealing someone other than Slegr, who was just signed as a UFA... right now though we need to see what we have... Allen isn't going to be the same Allen as last season (hopefully he has progressed and developed as expected)... and we don't know yet what we really have in Slegr... the intangibles we could get from Simpson, maybe we already have here??

that's why I voted to keep things status quo.

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10-03-2003, 08:01 AM
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Simpson will be long gone before Vancouver picks.

Where did the canucks finish last year?

The first round is only non-playoffs teams. There's 14 picks and thern it starts once again. What pick do the Canucks have? 23?

Simpson will not be there

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10-03-2003, 08:41 AM
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Simpson will be long gone before Vancouver picks.

Where did the canucks finish last year?

The first round is only non-playoffs teams. There's 14 picks and thern it starts once again. What pick do the Canucks have? 23?

Simpson will not be there
possibly..

then again, a #6 dman making $1.5mill a year might pass through without getting picked by anyone.

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Simpson is now a duck, quack quack

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