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04-13-2014, 04:57 PM
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No system can prevent MAF from putting the puck into his own net.

DB system seemed to work really good for TV last year.
Ding ding ****ing ding.
You hit the nail right on the head.
Everyone likes to complain that because we play a stretch pass game in which we leave Fleury to dry that Fleury fails because of that. That is the exact opposite of what happens in reality(note that I don't like our strategy either but that is irrelevant).
Fleury is actually pretty good at one on one's and is fantastic in the shootout. His blunders in the playoffs have been mostly routine shots taken from behind the net and other shots where are
defense is in position. Are we going to blame the defense for the overtime poss to the Flyers too? He needs to stop being so shaky.

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04-13-2014, 05:18 PM
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MAF is going to rebound this year. He looks like a different goalie and seems much calmer in net. If it transitions to the post season I can even see him stealing us games like the good old days.

I still think he can put it together, he's too naturally gifted not too.

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04-13-2014, 05:41 PM
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Yeah, those goals he gives up because of terrible positioning are a big deal, and Vokoun didn't give up those kinds of goals.

I still don't think he becomes a headcase this post season, and good regular season doesn't really earn him the benefit of the doubt.

That being said, I don't consider "hey look playoff Fleury is rounding in to form" to be a real thing this year, even after the Flyers game yesterday.

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04-13-2014, 05:46 PM
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Ding ding ****ing ding.
You hit the nail right on the head.
Everyone likes to complain that because we play a stretch pass game in which we leave Fleury to dry that Fleury fails because of that. That is the exact opposite of what happens in reality(note that I don't like our strategy either but that is irrelevant).
Fleury is actually pretty good at one on one's and is fantastic in the shootout. His blunders in the playoffs have been mostly routine shots taken from behind the net and other shots where are
defense is in position. Are we going to blame the defense for the overtime poss to the Flyers too? He needs to stop being so shaky.
Bylsma's system puts pressure on goaltenders. Lots. No one here can credibly argue that we are star g I our own zone, esp in front of the net.

Because TV is mentally much more stable than MAF does not mean the D is any better. It just means TV handles it better.

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04-13-2014, 05:48 PM
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The argument that "TV did great" somehow equating "the D didn't Suck" is silly.
The D is poor.
TV handles it better mentally.
Which is not even the same as him letting in fewer goals.

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04-13-2014, 06:10 PM
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Bylsma's system puts pressure on goaltenders. Lots. No one here can credibly argue that we are star g I our own zone, esp in front of the net.

Because TV is mentally much more stable than MAF does not mean the D is any better. It just means TV handles it better.
I am not disagreeing with you. Bylsma's system/strategy/tactics suck, and put unnecessary pressure on our goalies. Yet some of our goalies can take the pressure and some cannot. If we trapped and insulated Fleury of course he would appear to do better,until he put in another puck in his net. The point is, Fleury is a shaky goaltender. Ever since his world juniors fiasco, he has been a goalie that gives up awful bad position, bad angle goals. What I am trying to say though is that everyone puts too much stock in the "our defensive gameplan sucks" argument. Fleury is a great one on one goalie and does fantastic in the shootout. How can you play defense to a point where you stop a player from magically putting in the puck from behind the net. Those goals are all positioning. Was our D playing badly when Fleury watched the puck deflect off of his own stick against Philly yesterday?
Tl;DR
Bylsma's system/strategy/tactics blow, but that is not the reason Fleury puts the puck into his own net. If Fleury was getting beat on every breakaway I would say yes, you're right, but Fleury would be putting in own goals whether we played an insulated defense or our current stretchpassapalooza.

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04-13-2014, 07:33 PM
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MAF is going to rebound this year. He looks like a different goalie and seems much calmer in net. If it transitions to the post season I can even see him stealing us games like the good old days.

I still think he can put it together, he's too naturally gifted not too.
Darren Dreger, on TSN, just stated that he still believes Fleury can get the job done.

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04-14-2014, 11:36 AM
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MAF will be the man this year. He will win us some games we shouldn't. He will be a monster!!!!!!

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Darren Dreger, on TSN, just stated that he still believes Fleury can get the job done.
Then it must be true!!!

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04-14-2014, 12:49 PM
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Lol!
Why is this thread still up??
Neither side is gonna convince the other ! Let's just deal with it.

Whilst I think some MAF supporters may eventually give up on him if he stinks yet again in playoffs, he could win 10 Cups in a row and the MAF haters would never budge.
It's dogma to them.

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04-14-2014, 12:58 PM
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Few the last few years MAF had been our board MVP. ... in the regular season. I remember someone doing a count of the number of + he got in the post game threads and he was on top of the list. I have always thought he could carry us. After the philly series, I was a little shaken but the whole team played poorly and it was philly .... but after last year

He will blow up again. I no longer believe in him. He's not a pressure postseason goalie.

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04-14-2014, 01:06 PM
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I know, it's a shame. Such a talented guy but such a mental light weight, and in a system that doesn't help him.

I had hoped they would move him last year. I think he'd benefit from a fresh start somewhere where the fan base would accept him.
He will NEVER win back the fan base he's lost here. NEVER. No matter how much he improves or achieves.

A real shame.

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04-14-2014, 01:43 PM
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Lol!
Why is this thread still up??
Neither side is gonna convince the other ! Let's just deal with it.

Whilst I think some MAF supporters may eventually give up on him if he stinks yet again in playoffs, he could win 10 Cups in a row and the MAF haters would never budge.
It's dogma to them.

I
Cool hyperbole dooood.

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I know, it's a shame. Such a talented guy but such a mental light weight, and in a system that doesn't help him.

I had hoped they would move him last year. I think he'd benefit from a fresh start somewhere where the fan base would accept him.
He will NEVER win back the fan base he's lost here. NEVER. No matter how much he improves or achieves.

A real shame.
Yeah it's such a shame that the fans don't just embrace his poor play. Maybe if they did, he would play better.

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04-14-2014, 01:50 PM
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Hyperbole lol!

I learned from Nick.

Doood.

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04-14-2014, 01:51 PM
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You guys are hilarious.
Proving every point I make.

Yeah he NEVER plays anything but awful.

Dogma indeed.

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04-14-2014, 02:28 PM
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Fleury will single handedly lose 3-4 games as per usual. The fans will then figure out that he sucks and start calling for Bylsmas head.

Eventually, all will be forgotten and the same story will repeat itself for the next year and the next.

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This year, the post-mortem press conference will include "39 wins! Where are we going to find 39 wins?"

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This year, the post-mortem press conference will include "39 wins! Where are we going to find 39 wins?"
It amuses me so much that after Bylsma's 40 wins response that he only got to 39. It's just such a Bylsma thing to happen.

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04-14-2014, 03:25 PM
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It amuses me so much that after Bylsma's 40 wins response that he only got to 39. It's just such a Bylsma thing to happen.
I was under the impression that it was Shero who said the '40 wins' quote.

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04-14-2014, 03:26 PM
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I was under the impression that it was Shero who said the '40 wins' quote.
Really? I might be wrong but I think it was meltdown Bylsma who said it.

Actually, maybe it was Shero and Bylsma did the Fleury will be there winning games bit. Anyway, this organization.

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I'm confused. You forgot to start the question with "How."

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In regards to MAF, I'm taking the "wait and see" approach. I'm praying he doesn't choke, but we won't know until the playoffs. This is his last shot. Columbus, NYR and Montreal is who we have to get through in the east IMO. That's an easy path to the Cup. Off track but, yes history tends to repeat itself but MAF is a headcase and I have a feeling he'll surprise this time around. But, we'll have to wait and see.

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Darren Dreger, on TSN, just stated that he still believes Fleury can get the job done.
Darren Dreger is the same guy who thought John Tavares should win the Hart this season, not Crosby, and said it at a time when the Islanders were dead last in the division, second last in the entire Conference, and about 10 points out of a playoff spot.

Darren Dreger is an idiot.

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This year the defense is too putrid for him to choke. What will happen is that we'll give up scoring chance after scoring chance and blame it all on MAF, TV, or Zatkoff.

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