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04-10-2014, 11:45 AM
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Never been a Legwand fan. Would prefer to stay away from him this summer.

Would strike up a conversation with Winnipeg and see what the real asking price is on Evander Kane. No. Not the HF Board's asking price because we all know that starts with McD, Stepan AND Kreider.

Something seems off in that current relationship.

Obviously the package cannot contain to many youngsters on cheap contracts, but I'd be open to moving one or two if the deal was right.

The problem as I see it is that I don't trust the guys in charge to target the right guys.

So I guess we can expect a 34 year old center to come in and replace the 34 year old center we are hopefully buying out.


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04-10-2014, 11:49 AM
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Columbus is a Backes and Pietrangelo away from being the Blues. Jarmo and JD built the Blues into what they are, and Columbus needs a top line center, and a number 1 offensive defenseman. All the other pieces on that roster match up near identical to the Blues except for those two cornerstone pieces.

It wouldn't surprise me one bit if CLB ponies up for Kesler, and goes after a minute munching defenseman that can produce offense. They have the depth and assets to pull it all off.

The Rangers need more out of their top guns, especially Nash, because its pretty easy to see when Nash shows up and when he doesn't. A very passive perimeter game, as opposed to a power forwards game.
They have those players on the way with Murray and Johansen, just early in their development. They are going to be VERY good.

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04-10-2014, 11:52 AM
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They have those players on the way with Murray and Johansen, just early in their development. They are going to be VERY good.
Ryan Murray is going to be a VERY good defenceman.

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04-10-2014, 11:55 AM
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I know the hot topic right now is Evander Kane, but would Winnepeg consider moving the rights to Alex Burmistrov? Less of a cost there. Fits a position of need. Good 2-way player. Young. Has some skill and is strong on his skates. I'd almost rather look into Burmistrov over Kane based on the prices I believe they would cost.

Winnepeg needed LD's if I'm not mistaken. Too many RD's. Would John Moore be a comparable player if the Rangers can get an extension done with Burmistrov beforehand? Maybe add a conditional pick from Winnepeg in case he bolts after a year?

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04-10-2014, 12:01 PM
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I know the hot topic right now is Evander Kane, but would Winnepeg consider moving the rights to Alex Burmistrov? Less of a cost there. Fits a position of need. Good 2-way player. Young. Has some skill and is strong on his skates. I'd almost rather look into Burmistrov over Kane based on the prices I believe they would cost.

Winnepeg needed LD's if I'm not mistaken. Too many RD's. Would John Moore be a comparable player if the Rangers can get an extension done with Burmistrov beforehand? Maybe add a conditional pick from Winnepeg in case he bolts after a year?
I don't think Winnipeg would consider John Moore for even the rights to Burmistrov.

Also, Burmistrov is under contract for another year, I believe. Can't sign an NHL contract until it expires.

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04-10-2014, 12:03 PM
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Colin Wilson would be worth a shout, curious to see how highly the Preds still value him. I get the sense that they've been waiting for his true "breakout" for 2 years now, and while he's improved, hasn't been enough in their eyes.

Would Hagelin+ get him? What would that + have to be?

Acquiring him would let the Rangers use Richards' money on a winger though, which gives them a ton more options.

Nash/Stepan/MSL
Pouliot/Brassard/MZA
Kreider/Wilson/ one of Miller/Fast - or even Moulson/Vanek?

I like the idea of kicking the tires on Burmistrov as well. I think he'd come back to the NHL in different circumstances, and I think the Rangers could make a $3.5m bet on him that the Jets might not have wanted to.

If Bolland gets his head out of his ass he might be worth a call as well. He supposedly wants dumb money but I wonder if he'd be willing to take a 1-2 year deal.

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John Moore for Burmistrov is interesting, Burmistrov fills a 3rd line center need, but he's not overly large.

It's a lot of drama for a bottom 6 player, though.

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04-10-2014, 12:08 PM
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Colin Wilson would be worth a shout, curious to see how highly the Preds still value him. I get the sense that they've been waiting for his true "breakout" for 2 years now, and while he's improved, hasn't been enough in their eyes.

Would Hagelin+ get him? What would that + have to be?

Acquiring him would let the Rangers use Richards' money on a winger though, which gives them a ton more options.

Nash/Stepan/MSL
Pouliot/Brassard/MZA
Kreider/Wilson/ one of Miller/Fast - or even Moulson/Vanek?

I like the idea of kicking the tires on Burmistrov as well. I think he'd come back to the NHL in different circumstances, and I think the Rangers could make a $3.5m bet on him that the Jets might not have wanted to.

If Bolland gets his head out of his ass he might be worth a call as well. He supposedly wants dumb money but I wonder if he'd be willing to take a 1-2 year deal.
Bolland would be ideal at 2 years, he will get 5 easily.

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John Moore for Burmistrov is interesting, Burmistrov fills a 3rd line center need, but he's not overly large.

It's a lot of drama for a bottom 6 player, though.
Eh, at 22 I would be willing to put up with some stuff. Obviously they should do some homework into what happened but he has the skill and hockey IQ to be a top-6 center IMO.

He is also strong on his skates and has good balance. That was one of the reasons I wanted the Rangers to draft him back in his draft year. Defensively he is very good. I'd seriously take a shot at him.

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04-10-2014, 12:14 PM
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I've been pining for Wilson for a few seasons now. Burmistrov also has my interest. Nashville would want Hagelin. Winnipeg would maybe ask for Mcilrath/Plus in a deal for Burm.

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I've been pining for Wilson for a few seasons now. Burmistrov also has my interest. Nashville would want Hagelin. Winnipeg would maybe ask for Mcilrath/Plus in a deal for Burm.
Wilson would be a good get for this team. Big body, can play wing or center.

I doubt they ask for McIlrath + for Burmistrov. I like the idea of Moore. More proven. LD. They have too many RD's.

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not interested in burmistrov. dont feel hes worth the hassle everytime he needs a new contract. its not like hes been great offensively at any level to date so why would we give up assets for a 2nd/3rd line C thats a risk to leave the NHL when things dont go his way.

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I don't think Winnipeg would consider John Moore for even the rights to Burmistrov.

Also, Burmistrov is under contract for another year, I believe. Can't sign an NHL contract until it expires.
Moore can be a solid 3rd pairing LD.

A former 1st rounder with wheels and a good shot?

The Jets can do alot worse. Especially for a player that will never play for them again.

It's actually a pretty solid offer.

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Wilson would be a good get for this team. Big body, can play wing or center.

I doubt they ask for McIlrath + for Burmistrov. I like the idea of Moore. More proven. LD. They have too many RD's.
Mcilrath gives them a RHD they don't have. They have puckmovers, he's a body mover

As much as I dislike the pick I still wouldn't give up MCI unless I'm getting a legit talent in return.

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I would be intrigued by Burmistrov, if the price is right. The kid really didn't help himself out any, but he did get a raw deal in Winnipeg. His game actually reminds me of Miller's a bit. I remember being surprised by how solid his body checks were when we played Winnipeg. He still has a ton of potential, too.

John Moore for Burmistrov and a small add? Sign me up.

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Would Hagelin/Kristo get Wilson? Seems fair to me, but still not sure how he's valued there.

JMoore for Burmistrov makes a lot of sense too. Then again, Filatov only got back a 3rd, so I wonder if his value might be lower. Allen/Bourque package? Maybe sub Bourque for Kristo?

Doesn't make sense for the Rangers to trade McI at this point. With all that they've invested, better off just playing the cards out and seeing what they get.

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I'd drive Moore to the airport myself if all we had to give up to get Burmistrov was him.

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Wasn't the reason Burmistrov bounced from the NHL because he wasn't being given top line minutes/he was assigned to the AHL?

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Wasn't the reason Burmistrov bounced from the NHL because he wasn't being given top line minutes/he was assigned to the AHL?
First, he was absolutely rushed to the NHL. He played his two post-draft seasons entirely in the NHL. Then, he split time between the NHL and AHL, and was pretty much confined to the 4th line. He got frustrated and bolted to the KHL. Lots of blame to go around, but he was pretty badly handled as a prospect IMO.

However, he's only 22, and still has real upside. Maybe not 1st line upside, but he could become a very solid 2C if everything pans out for him.

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I like Moore, I think a lot of people undervalue him. But if Conor Allen is just as good, it becomes a subjective utility situation. We need a young 3rd line center more than a young 3rd pairing defenseman, of which we have many.

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Wasn't the reason Burmistrov bounced from the NHL because he wasn't being given top line minutes/he was assigned to the AHL?
No, he has some disagreements with the coach and the way he was being used. He was frustrated and decided it was best for his development to try something else.

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First, he was absolutely rushed to the NHL. He played his two post-draft seasons entirely in the NHL. Then, he split time between the NHL and AHL, and was pretty much confined to the 4th line. He got frustrated and bolted to the KHL. Lots of blame to go around, but he was pretty badly handled as a prospect IMO.

However, he's only 22, and still has real upside. Maybe not 1st line upside, but he could become a very solid 2C if everything pans out for him.
I think he has 2C/3C talent for sure. Something like 50 points with good 2-way play. PK and PP.

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Mcilrath gives them a RHD they don't have. They have puckmovers, he's a body mover

As much as I dislike the pick I still wouldn't give up MCI unless I'm getting a legit talent in return.
Eh, they have Bogo and Buff. The one thing the 'Peg doesn't lack is size. Buff, Trouba and Bogo are all righties. Enstrom, Stuart and Clitsome on the left. I don't see them dealing for another RD.

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I like Moore, I think a lot of people undervalue him. But if Conor Allen is just as good, it becomes a subjective utility situation. We need a young 3rd line center more than a young 3rd pairing defenseman, of which we have many.
I like Moore as well, it all comes down to if they want to keep Staal. Having McDonagh and Staal on the left side means that 3rd pairing LD is going to get sheltered minutes. Moore is a talented young player but they larger holes elsewhere and seem to have a couple of LD's (Skjei and Allen) looking like they will be ready either next year or the year after.

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I like Moore as well, it all comes down to if they want to keep Staal. Having McDonagh and Staal on the left side means that 3rd pairing LD is going to get sheltered minutes. Moore is a talented young player but they larger holes elsewhere and seem to have a couple of LD's (Skjei and Allen) looking like they will be ready either next year or the year after.
If they have McDonagh and Staal as 25 minute players, you're right. Its easy to fit a cheap, acceptable piece into the remaining 8-10 minutes.

I think this team has gotten very comfortable running 4 solid lines. Sather isn't going to want to give that up. He has to buy out Richards so finding a good young 2 way option to use with Hagelin/Fast/Miller/Kreider on the 3rd line is a good idea.

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Maybe they can sit him down and ask him to pretend hes playing @ Columbus every game, because that was the only game where he was engaged on every shift all season.
that's such a crock.

but if you feel like it fulfills your agenda so be it.
hes not putting up points but hes getting chances, grade a chances. hes also setting his teammates up for grade a chances.

he's playing well.

to me, he's passing the eyeball test.

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If they have McDonagh and Staal as 25 minute players, you're right. Its easy to fit a cheap, acceptable piece into the remaining 8-10 minutes.

I think this team has gotten very comfortable running 4 solid lines. Sather isn't going to want to give that up. He has to buy out Richards so finding a good young 2 way option to use with Hagelin/Fast/Miller/Kreider on the 3rd line is a good idea.
Agreed. And it's very possible Burmistrov isn't the answer, but I think the use of Moore as a piece to bring another long-term piece back may be a good idea. Who else may be looking for a good young d-man that has a similar forward available?

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Agreed. And it's very possible Burmistrov isn't the answer, but I think the use of Moore as a piece to bring another long-term piece back may be a good idea. Who else may be looking for a good young d-man that has a similar forward available?
When I think -needs dmen and has young forwards- I think the Oilers, but they'd want a more dependable guy like Staal or Girardi who is established and can play half the game to mitigate their damage.

Couturier is a favorite of mine, but it'd be tough to convince Philly to sell him.

Huberdeau would cost an arm and a leg.

Cody Eakin is interesting but I haven't seen enough of Dallas recent to know if he still plays center or fills the bill defensively.

And then you can always poach around for temporary options in Europe like Jarkko Immonen.

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